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Old June 22nd, 2005, 02:55 PM   #1
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Σπάρτη | Sparta

Sparta, the city state occupying the central finger of Peloponnese, was the greatest military power of Greece and played a catalytic role in her history. There is very little left of ancient Sparta, as their glory was not built in stone but in their legacy.

Modern Sparta, the capital of Lakonia, was founded in 1836 by settlers who were made homeless after the destruction of Mystras during the War of Independence.

Sparta is today a small town with around 20,000 inhabitants, however this small valley in Laconia (hence the Greek L on Spartan shields) was home to what were probably the greatest individual fighting men that the world has seen. Men who were prepared for war from the moment that they were born.

E TAN I EPI TAS

Return with your shield, or on your shield. (Spartan mothers saying this to their sons as they left for war).

Μολών λαβέ ! (Molon labe : Come and get them!)

King Leonidas two words response to king of Persia Xerxes demanding that the Spartans lay down their arms, is a saying that is still remembered and used with reverence.


This small corner of the world is now quiet, its great sons are long dead, and with the very sparse ruins that have remained, there is almost a sense of sorrow in this peaceful valley overlooked by the great Taygettos mountains, it is as if the land itself is still in mourning for its lost heores. However there is also a real beauty in this sorrow, the beauty of a small provincial town that was once the dread of the entire known world, whose military feats and courage are still celebrated today.
































































I will make some more threads for Mystras and the rest of Laconia soon.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 03:06 PM   #2
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Awesome post Olympiad!
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Sparta may not be a large city, but it certainly is a beautiful one. Its urban design is superior to most Greek cities today and it is a shame that many people don't take the time to visit Sparta as much. Thanks for posting these wonderful photos
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 08:41 PM   #4
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:35 PM   #5
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I though that Sparta was a dead-town. Now I see that it's a nice and amazing place...
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Not dead at all! A Question, why do so many people write there location in Greek?
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:45 PM   #7
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Not dead at all! A Question, why do so many people write there location in Greek?
you mean the word "Sparta"?
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:54 PM   #8
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When I was a teenager, Sparta had a huge base of Heavy Metal - my favorite music - fans, as well as Classic Rock followers. Also, they had Totem, one of the best pubs, and a twin to a Brittish pub, if I recall correctly. Sparta, in addition to the above, had some decent Heavy Metal bands; that was a tough thing to achieve back then, especially for a city as small as Sparta. Nothing to do with urbanity, but nevertheless interesting.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 04:41 PM   #9
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Actually I found Sparta to be one of the best cities in Greece with regards to urban planning. Nothing fancy, yet nothing in missing - The epitope of "doric" measure in everything.

Beautiful city and thanks for the pics and comments.
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Old July 9th, 2005, 07:34 PM   #10
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Actually I found Sparta to be one of the best cities in Greece with regards to urban planning. Nothing fancy, yet nothing in missing - The epitope of "doric" measure in everything.

Beautiful city and thanks for the pics and comments.
gm2263, that may be because King Otto ordered that a new Sparta be built on the location of the ancient city next to Mystras.

The modern city was designed by the Bavarian architect, Stauffert, in 1834.
With his Bavarian background, and inspiration from the the grand cities of 19th century Europe, he designed a very well planned and beautiful city. It has large tree-lined boulevards, parklands, open horizons and has a spacious feel to it.

The layout of the main thoroughfare, Konstandinou Paleologou Avenue is indicative of the planning. It has many fine pieces of neoclasical architecture and is cleverly crossed by commercial avenues with public squares to the left and right.

Sparta is certainly worth a visit.

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Old July 9th, 2005, 07:41 PM   #11
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I read somewhere that the true descendants of the ancient Spartans are the modern day Maniates. During the Slav invasions of the 6th-7th centuries the Spartans retreated to the Mani peninsula where they remained isolated for many centuries. They even remained pagan, worshipping the ancient Greek gods up until the 9th century AD.
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for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus
The Roman Antiquities of Dionysius of Halicarnassus
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...assus/1B*.html

Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece". Strabo, VII, Frg. 9
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
Procopius
http://books.google.com/books?id=9m6...page&q&f=false
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I read somewhere that the true descendants of the ancient Spartans are the modern day Maniates. During the Slav invasions of the 6th-7th centuries the Spartans retreated to the Mani peninsula where they remained isolated for many centuries. They even remained pagan, worshipping the ancient Greek gods up until the 9th century AD.
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Old July 10th, 2005, 06:30 PM   #13
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ΣΠΑΡΤΗ - SPARTA

Δύο από τα πιο χαρακτηριστικά στοιχεία της Σπάρτης όπως πολύ σωστά αναφέρατε είναι η θαυμάσια ρυμοτομία της , και ο θαυμάσιος καταπράσινος κάμπος που την περιβάλλει.
Ο κάμπος του Ευρώτα ( από τη Σπάρτη μέχρι τις εκβολές του ) είναι η μεγαλύτερη παραγωγός περιοχή σε εσπεριδοειδή και ειδικά πορτοκάλια.
Παντού στα περίχωρα της πόλης θα βρείτε μεγάλους "μπαξέδες" με πορτοκαλιές και μαντορινιές.
Επιπλέον ο επιβλητικός όγκος του Ταϋγέτου κυριαρχεί και είναι εμφανής από όλα τα σημεία της πόλης.
Ο ταΰγετος είναι το πιο ψηλό όρος της Πελοποννήσου , με υψόμετρο 2,407 m.

Η πόλη γενικά είναι πολύ ήσυχη και κάπως απομονωμένη κυρίως λόγω έλλειψης σιδηροδρομικής σύνδεσης καθώς και σύγχρονου οδικού δικτύου ( υπάρχει μόνο η κλασική εθνική οδός με αρκετές στροφές )

κάποιες επιπλέον φωτογραφίες από την πόλη της Σπάρτης :





The archaeological museum of Sparta (αρχαιολογικό μουσείο )
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Με σθγχωρεις φιλε μου Γεροπλατανε, αλλα θα πρεπει να σου κανω μια μικρη διορθωση με το θεμα του υψους του Ταυγετου, που δεν ειναι το ψηλο ορος της Πελοποννησου, μιας και για παραδειγμα ο Χελμος στην Αχαια ειναι ψηλοτερο, με υψος περιπου στα 2455 μετρα, αν και δεν ειμαι σιγουρος εαν ειναι το ψηλοτερο της Πελοποννησου, παντως ειμαι οτι ειναι μεγαλυτερο απο τον Ταυγετο.
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Με συγχωρεις φιλε μου Γεροπλατανε, αλλα θα πρεπει να σου κανω μια μικρη διορθωση με το θεμα του υψους του Ταυγετου, που δεν ειναι το ψηλοτερο ορος της Πελοποννησου, μιας και για παραδειγμα ο Χελμος στην Αχαια ειναι ψηλοτερο, με υψος περιπου στα 2455 μετρα, αν και δεν ειμαι σιγουρος εαν ειναι το ψηλοτερο της Πελοποννησου, παντως ειμαι οτι ειναι μεγαλυτερο απο τον Ταυγετο.
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Με συγχωρεις φιλε μου Γεροπλατανε, αλλα θα πρεπει να σου κανω μια μικρη διορθωση με το θεμα του υψους του Ταυγετου, που δεν ειναι το ψηλοτερο ορος της Πελοποννησου, μιας και για παραδειγμα ο Χελμος στην Αχαια ειναι ψηλοτερο, με υψος περιπου στα 2455 μετρα, αν και δεν ειμαι σιγουρος εαν ειναι το ψηλοτερο της Πελοποννησου, παντως ειμαι οτι ειναι μεγαλυτερο απο τον Ταυγετο.
Φίλε Γρηγόρη δεν είναι έτσι όπως τα λες , ο χελμός έχει ύψος 2,355 (ή 2,341 ) μέτρα και όχι 3,455 ίσως να το μπέρδεψες.

Αυτό μπορείς να το ελέγξεις σε όποιο βιβλίο η εγκυκλοπαίδια θέλεις.
Για πιο έυκολη αναζήτηση θα πρότεινα το site www.mountains.gr


Ο Ταΰγετος είναι όντως το πιο ψηλό βουνό στην Πελοπόννησο. (κορυφή προφήτης Ηλίας , 2,404 m)
Ακολουθούν τα υπόλοιπα (ζήρια,χελμός,ερύμανθος,μαίναλο,παναχαϊκό κτλπ )
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Old February 17th, 2008, 02:20 AM   #17
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Directions to Ancient Sparta

Ancient Sparta,

By sonofsparta,

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Ancient Theatre,

1960's Statue of Leonidas,

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Reverse side of Leonidas Satue

Shield, Come back with it or on it!

By sonofsparta at 2008-07-16
Modern Olympic Plaque honouring Spartan victors of Olympic Games,

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Modern city of Sparta,

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Peripetro/Kiosk

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Statue of Lycurgos

Spartan City Hall,

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Main Square

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Mosaic Replica in Sparta's main Square

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Another Mosaic Replica in Sparta's main Square

Sparta Museum, neoclassical building 1860s,

Sparta Museum

Statue

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Another unique statue,

Sparta's Archaeological Museum Park

Statue of Leonidas,

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Sparta Museum, bronze figures

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Α ρε πατρίδα ... Εξαίρετο το άρθρο Sonofsparta
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Love seeing pics of Sparti, where my ancestors came from.
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View taken from Mistra in the distance the Laconia valley, Sparta

Street

Street

Street at Night

City Hall and main Square

City Hall and main Square

Main Square

Main Square

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