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Old October 24th, 2017, 10:49 PM   #3661
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What carrier services it?
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Old October 24th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #3662
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Old October 24th, 2017, 11:36 PM   #3663
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And train sets will be Swiss ETR 610, nice stuff for traveling. Nonetheless, the idea is a bit absurd. The Gotthard Base Tunnel actually takes longer to travel through coming from Germany and Basel than the Simplon Base Tunnel, as the Simplon is straight south from Basel on a rather speedy line. However, the opening of the slower route is taken as occasion to reopen direct trains from Germany via Switzerland to Italy, which use the slower route in one direction and the faster one in the other.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:24 PM   #3664
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And train sets will be Swiss ETR 610, nice stuff for traveling. Nonetheless, the idea is a bit absurd. The Gotthard Base Tunnel actually takes longer to travel through coming from Germany and Basel than the Simplon Base Tunnel, as the Simplon is straight south from Basel on a rather speedy line. However, the opening of the slower route is taken as occasion to reopen direct trains from Germany via Switzerland to Italy, which use the slower route in one direction and the faster one in the other.
The schedule posted above, few minutes in favour of Gotthard route, does not support your assertion. Once Ceneri base tunnel opens in few years the advantage will be more noticeable.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #3665
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Istanbul - Thessaloniki trains to start in March 2018?

Rail Turkey is often quite well informed, so hopefully we will see a return of this train during 2018.

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As a couple of international train services have started by TCDD this year, there’s a strong expectation about Istanbul-Thesselonike train as well. Although some officers state that the train will start on March 2018, this information is not confirmed by neither OSE nor TCDD.
Source: https://railturkey.org/2017/08/15/wh...e-train-start/
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Old October 26th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #3666
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Passenger service one the new TGV-line "Contournement ferroviaire de Nmes et de Montpellier" along with the new station "Montpellier Sud de France" will commence in July 2018.

This will speed up TGV from Paris/Lyon to Montpellier by ca. 25 minutes!!!

How likely is it, that this better speed from Paris to the south will lead to an increase of trains from Lyon/Paris to Barcelona?
Today there are only 2 daily TGV Paris - Barcelona (+2 seasonal TGV) and only one TGV Lyon - Barcelona.

Or will the opening of the new line not change anything and still most trains will terminate at Perpignan, only minutes away from Spain?

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I've not heard anything about new services yet. I do like the way that this improvements are coming steadily - the next bypass will make a big difference too - another 45 minutes when Montpellier to Perpignan are hooked up.

That's 70 minutes less than today. Journey time improvements from that point onwards will be through stopping patterns - not every train needs to stop at Figueres, Girona, Narbonne, Beziers etc... and each one will save about 5 mins.

I think Paris-Barcelona could get to 4h45 and hopefully demand a few more services. I think Nimes, Montpellier and Perpignan only on the fastest.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:50 PM   #3667
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Istanbul - Thessaloniki trains to start in March 2018?
I heard the same, without explicit date, from a TCDD official in late summer, and recently read a statement by the minister of traffic here reiterating the same. TCDD had wanted to reintroduce this connection ever since OSE did away with it in the financial crisis. OSE had been opposing this move, but now apparently changed its stance.

@sunfuns: You are right, in the final schedule, the ride is pretty much the same either way. However, it is not an improvement. The ride via Bern could have been (re-)introduced long ago. Anyways, the ride has so many arbitrary long stops it hardly reflects what could be the optimal connection between the two cities at each end. Who needs a 14 minute stop in Basel Bad Bf, just after having stopped in Basel SBB for enough time? And why hang around Luzern for so long in the other direction? SBB just loves chilling, I know, always for some very important reasons, but not the best thing for promoting long haul international relations.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #3668
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There are always longs stops in Basel Bad Bf for trains coming from Germany. The reason is that SBB doesn't trust their punctuality and I'm afraid for a good reason. Why are stops in Luzern so long is less obvious, however that is a case for local trains as well. Two weekends ago I took a train to Schwyz from Basel and had enough time (14 min) to get out in Luzern to buy some snacks.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 10:45 PM   #3669
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14:24 14:36 Bern
15:02 15:05 Olten
15:29 15:38 Basel Sbb
15:44 15:52 Basel Bad Bf

But the 8 minute long stop in Basel Bad Bf is northbound, and just after a 12 minute break in Basel SBB (ok there might be reasons for this) and another hour after 12 minutes in Bern.
By teh way: Aren't 13 minutes in Luzern enough for a compete city walking tour?
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Old October 31st, 2017, 07:09 PM   #3670
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New railways connects Europe with China

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Azeri Ilham Aliyev and Georgia's Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili invoked the construction of the new railroad.


Soon you can travel all the way to China - without going through Russia.
Three neighboring countries have invested in a new railway line.


Azerbaijan, Turkey and Georgia have now taken steps towards a 826 kilometer long railway line linking the countries together.
The railroad will open a route between Europe and China that does not go through Russia, and the countries hope that it will generate a financial boost for the region.


The train will stop in Baku in Azerbaijan, in Georgia's capital Tbilisi, in Achalkalaki in the same country and finally in Turkish Kars.
To get to China, from Baku, you need to cross the Caspian Sea.

105 km of newly built rails are included in the project.
The total cost is estimated to be around the equivalent of one billion US dollars, most of the money comes from the Azeri oil fund.
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Old October 31st, 2017, 07:32 PM   #3671
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Soon you can travel all the way to China - without going through Russia.
So what is wrong with going through Russia? Would you really prefer to ride one of those run down Caspian Sea ferries? And deal with visas or for freight customs of Kazahstan, Azerbayjan, Georgia, and Turkey instead of one single visa plus perhaps transit visa for White Russia?
And even if you need to avoid Russia, is it not simpler to go via Turkey, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazahstan instead?
It is nice for Turkey to have a rail link with Georgian and Azerbayjan, but one should not believe all the hype.
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Old October 31st, 2017, 08:31 PM   #3672
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Leaders inaugurate Kars - Tbilisi - Baku railway. IRJ.

How far is the DB AG-Rafil Type V gauge changer in the Georgian town of Akhalkalaki for the passengers Baku-Tiblisi-Istanbul route?
It was announced for mid-2017.
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Old October 31st, 2017, 11:47 PM   #3673
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This news belongs to the Asian thread. But nice to see again a functioning railway between the Middle East and Russia.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 04:36 PM   #3674
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You can now book your RegioJet Wien - Praha tickets and they are super cheap forcing BB to offer so called "Sparschiene" tickets for the route as well starting at EUR 14.



https://jizdenky.regiojet.cz/Booking...search-results
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Old November 17th, 2017, 10:27 AM   #3675
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Hello everyone, a couple of months ago, we heard there would once again be direct trains from Ljubljana to Trieste Centrale and and Venezia. Now that new schedules are available, I have not been able to spot such a train. Am I only inept at reading Slovenian and Italian schedules, will they pop up post fact, or have the new services been delayed? Anybody have an idea?
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Old November 20th, 2017, 12:24 AM   #3676
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I think they announced there would be direct trains next year only IIRC
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Old November 20th, 2017, 01:51 AM   #3677
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Hello everyone, a couple of months ago, we heard there would once again be direct trains from Ljubljana to Trieste Centrale and and Venezia. Now that new schedules are available, I have not been able to spot such a train. Am I only inept at reading Slovenian and Italian schedules, will they pop up post fact, or have the new services been delayed? Anybody have an idea?
European timetables change DEC 9/10 so anything after that date may not be visible or bookable.
If they are Bahn.de is the place to check. Just beware that often trains change number at major cities borders/ so it might often appear to be a different train, I assume you already aware of this but others might not be.


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Old November 23rd, 2017, 05:06 PM   #3678
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Hello everyone, a couple of months ago, we heard there would once again be direct trains from Ljubljana to Trieste Centrale and and Venezia. Now that new schedules are available, I have not been able to spot such a train. Am I only inept at reading Slovenian and Italian schedules, will they pop up post fact, or have the new services been delayed? Anybody have an idea?
Nobody ever said Trieste Centrale, just Trieste (which could mean Villa Opicina).

Also, there has never been a single official statement by Region Friuli-Venezia Giulia (FVG from now on; the administrative body where Trieste is) about such a service. There has been only some test runs of the Region FVG owned CAF Civity E563 trains on the Slovene railway network and a "statement" promising the service made by an assistant of the director of the passenger division of SJ... nonetheless

Those trains were originally bought with public money to increase commuter service within the Region, and it has been much, much, much discussed as to whether using those trains to run an international service, that goes from Venice (in region Veneto) to Ljubljana (in a foreign state) and serves a limited number of stops in Region FVG, and probably won't even stop in Trieste but only at Villa Opicina (aka in the middle of nowhere), is legal at all.

The whole situation is very, very foggy (if not fishy). If the service does indeed start, it will be more because the current regional government is up for reelection in Spring 2018 than because there's any real interest in providing such service.

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Old November 23rd, 2017, 09:04 PM   #3679
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Europe-bound Eurostar racing through Ebbsfleet, just after exiting Thames Tunnel:

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Another Eurostar bypassing Ebbsfleet International, visible from the domestic platforms:

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What is the speed limit of Eurostars bypassing Ebbsfleet International? Do they have to slow down?
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Old November 25th, 2017, 01:55 AM   #3680
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What is the speed limit of Eurostars bypassing Ebbsfleet International? Do they have to slow down?
Section 2 speed limit (Ebsfleet - St Pancras) is 230 km/h.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_1#Section_2
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