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Old January 21st, 2007, 09:00 PM   #61
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Inthis news, Shanghai Pearl TV reports that the trains are produced in Qingdao but it's Japanese technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ib...elated&search=
It did mention that it was a collaborative work between Japan.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 01:05 AM   #62
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200+ km/h should be fairly considered "high-speed." It's faster than cars would ever drive in most countries.

300+ km/h should be a new era in high-speed rail. Japan and Europe pioneered this 10 years ago.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 04:39 AM   #63
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200+ km/h should be fairly considered "high-speed." It's faster than cars would ever drive in most countries.

300+ km/h should be a new era in high-speed rail. Japan and Europe pioneered this 10 years ago.
even amtrak train can do 200 km/h, 200 km/h might be for the original definition of high speed, but most high speed trains are now over 300km/h.

from the look of it most chinese trains are now 200km/h+, so they are not considered "high speed", just regular trains.

nothing on Beijing-Shanghai yet.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 04:40 AM   #64
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It did mention that it was a collaborative work between Japan.
I guess that means jap technology built in China.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 04:40 AM   #65
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That's obvious. High speed technology knowledge doesn't appear like magic overnight. But China wants to do as Korea did with France's TGV: technology transfer and training with the best engineers in order to finally be able to build foreign technology independently...but the difference is that Korea dosen't pretend it's their own technology .
Anyway, Chinese authorities are going to regret not having entrusted the Beijing-Shanghai line to the French TGV when it will break its own world record at 560 or 570km/h next month.
Chinese government doesnt advertise it's japanese technology for obvious reasons, do you want japanese consulate in shanghai to get smashed?
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 12:25 PM   #66
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even amtrak train can do 200 km/h, 200 km/h might be for the original definition of high speed, but most high speed trains are now over 300km/h.

from the look of it most chinese trains are now 200km/h+, so they are not considered "high speed", just regular trains.
200 km/h is not high speed but anything above can be considered high speed but 250 km/h may be a better speed. 300 km/h is now the maximum speed when it comes to regular services, so if you only consider 300 km/h as high speed you're bit ahead of the reality.

And indeed the Bombardier trains are only 200 km/h fast, but considering the speed increase over other Chinese trains they can be called high speed trains.
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 02:25 PM   #67
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New tain in shanghai-nanjing and shanghai-hangzhou 1/28 work!


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Old January 23rd, 2007, 02:32 PM   #68
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内部探秘 座椅布置如飞机

昨天,记者终于走进“子弹头”列车。本月15日,几列CRH2型高速旅客列车抵沪,但当时只能远观,而不能走近,更不能走进。

记者踏进一节车厢,便见座位与目前旅客列车有很大差异,跟飞机倒是有几分相似。座位都是布艺包裹,坐上去柔软而舒适。每个座位还配了一个靠枕。更叫人诧异的是,部分座位还能“活动”,可旋转180度,如果想看窗外的风景,简直是一览无余,完全用不着转过头去。

“子弹头”列车各节车厢的座位数量并不完全相同,软座车厢只有51个座位,而硬座车厢最多有100个座位。(新闻晨报记者 殷立勤)

28日起投入运营 票价暂按新型空调列车软座票价

今日从上海铁路局获悉,自1月28日(本周日)起,国内最新的“子弹头”动车组列车将奔驰在沪宁杭“金三角”,广大旅客乘坐这种列车将更加舒适、便捷。

根据铁道部春运期间开行动车组的精神,上海铁路局经过精心准备,决定从1月28日起在沪宁、沪杭间开行动车组。据介绍,即将投入运营的动车组,无论是外观设计还是内部装修布局,都比现行的客车有很大提高。外观全部是流线型的设计,车厢分一等车和二等车,一等车两侧各有两个座椅,二等车一侧三个座椅,另一侧两个座椅。车内备品、灯具、标识、音响、空调等设备,都采用了国际上通行的标准。车体设计更加体现人性化,舒适度比现在的客车有很大档次提高。

记者了解到,此次动车组上线运行共涉及长三角地区7.5对旅客列车,分别是:上海至南京T708/T707、T717/T718次2对,上海南至杭州N521/N522、N523/N524、525N/526、527/N528、N529N/530、N554次5.5对,采用两组动车组重联一列开行,每列16节车厢,定员1220人。车票均由始发站发售,途中有办客停站的车站,采取席位复用的办法发售车票,不固定票额,实现有空座即可售票,提高了车票的利用率。

由于上述7.5对旅客列车采用动车组开行,部分车次办客停站将作调整,具体为:取消N523/N526次列车在松江、嘉善、嘉兴、海宁站办客;取消N529/N522次列车在临平站办客。其他均按现运行图不变。

据了解,尽管动车组最高运行时速可达200至250公里,但目前最高时速仍将控制在160公里以内,暂不进行提速,所涉及的7.5对旅客列车仍按现有时刻运行。动车组票价暂按现行同档次新型空调列车软座票价办理。


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Old January 24th, 2007, 12:56 PM   #69
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300 km/h is now the maximum speed when it comes to regular services
The Eastbound TGV does 320km/h in regular service, and Japan and France are expecting 360km/h by 2010, though.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #70
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chinese magnetism aerotrain (fast speed) 500km/h



Domestic production rate reached 85%



chinese magnetism aerotrain (normal speed)




for magnetism aerotrain ,It takes China more than 20 years long from dream come true...
Will be in market for business in next 5 years...



China star (312.5km/h at 2003)





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Old January 24th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #71
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copy this , copy that,

copy a aerocraft engine for me?

Japan has boeing workshop before 28 years. Still can't make any decent aerocraft engine utill now, don't even mention the military turbo engine.

japan can only dreams...




















j-11b with chinese tvc engine, j-10 will equip it soon either. and a 15 t thrust ws-10 turbofan modification will be available within 5 years.




don't even mention the anti-satellite science and technology, first launched from china land all over the world...

japan can only dreams...










32 units of hq-16 hot-launched vls fit on 054a.


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Old January 24th, 2007, 04:58 PM   #72
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copy this , copy that,

copy a aerocraft engine for me?

Japan has boeing workshop before 28 years. Still can't make any decent aerocraft engine utill now, don't even mention the military turbo engine.

japan can only dreams...




















j-11b with chinese tvc engine, j-10 will equip it soon either. and a 15 t thrust ws-10 turbofan modification will be available within 5 years.




don't even mention the anti-satellite science and technology, first launched from china land all over the world...

japan can only dreams...










32 units of hq-16 hot-launched vls fit on 054a.



Maybe becouse they use their time to develope other things than weapons

Anyhow, impressive trainspeeds.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #73
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there is no maybe, militaty industry is the highest standard.

we are not the same level at all...
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Old January 24th, 2007, 05:47 PM   #74
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Is that a high speed train?

Nope? So why you posted that? Just to diss Japan huh?
If you want to play out of the subjet and complain about everybody saying China is a copying master, hit this:
Chinese copy of the BMW X5:

Guess which is the original, which is the Chinese copy:

Mercedes CLK

Mini?

Check out the logo of the brand, remind anything?


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Old January 24th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #75
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Why copy when you can buy decent trains and airplanes in any other country.


AND MAYBE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, why qoute lot's of Off Topic pictures when you can use or delete them in your post.

And ON TOPIC:

Nobody mentioned the new 200 km/h Pendolino trains by Alstom for China, the first train have arrived in China by now or atleast almost. The first 3 trains are build in Italy the rest (51) will be build by the Changchun Railway Company in China. They will be used on regional lines, using it's tilting to go faster on older convetional lines.

U/C pics from the factory in Italy





http://www.transport.alstom.com/home...news/Hot_news/
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Old January 24th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #76
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yes you can buy, that's why japan has master.

we don't...

you can choose master, but we can be master...


japan, you copying everything from china for more than 1000 of years.
even your language is copy from chinese. what a shame, you still using now...
toyota's car even copy french car today. toyota's corrola copy 307...



for the next 1000 years, you should be play like a kawayi cat if you don't want be take out of the world...
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Old January 24th, 2007, 09:13 PM   #77
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You're talking gibberish!
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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #78
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OH C'mon people stop this China vs Japan Crap this is about trains not who can built better ones!

As for the Italian train, I have no idea China was getting that I think its cool more variety. Imagine what China will be like 10yrs from now since they are modernizing its railway sector. At this rate I believe China might be the country with the largest highspeed rail network, its only a matter of time considering the huge population and land.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 09:29 AM   #79
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Alstom is a French company.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 09:37 AM   #80
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there is no maybe, militaty industry is the highest standard.

we are not the same level at all...
the Japanese military industry is arguably more advanced than Chinese one.

Firms like Kawasaki, Mitsubishi HI, Fuji HI do not only make civilian products, they make military hardware too.

The only thing that is holding Japan back is the high cost of development because Japan cannot export weapons due to its constitution, which makes the cost per unit extremely high.(only JSDF can buy from them, not foreign countries).

Kongo class destroyer, China still doesnt have anything that can match this ship in terms of technology and displacement, this ship has been in service with JMSDF for more than 10 years.
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