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Old December 23rd, 2011, 01:24 AM   #41
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Well, because there is an rush hours and a non-rush hours... And the Simens didn't installed 2 train capability on the first set of trains So railway is forced to launch them one after another.

And the maximal gap isn't 9 hours - no sane person would ride a sitting train all night long, while Moscow - St. P. still have a number of sleepers, both premium and regular. There is just no demand on Sapsan after 20 and before 6.
You really have no clue. Did you even look at the schedule?
The nine-hour gap is during the day!
No capital-bound Sapsan trains leave St Petersburg between 7 am and 1:30 pm. No northbound Sapsan trains leave Moscow between 7 am and 1:30pm.

Surely there is demand for Sapsan during the day!

Sure, there are other daytime trains between the two cities that take twice as long. But I wonder why there is such a huge gap during the day.

Acela, for example, runs every hour during the day between New York and the capital, and this on a congested stretch of track dealing with other Amtrak trains and three different suburban railroads.

The 9-hour gap is not surprising. What's surprising is it's preceded by a 15-minute gap. Maybe someone knows the reason...?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 01:23 PM   #42
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There is no place for them. The line is overloaded with suburban trains.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 02:20 PM   #43
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You really have no clue. Did you even look at the schedule?
The nine-hour gap is during the day!
No capital-bound Sapsan trains leave St Petersburg between 7 am and 1:30 pm. No northbound Sapsan trains leave Moscow between 7 am and 1:30pm.

Surely there is demand for Sapsan during the day!

Sure, there are other daytime trains between the two cities that take twice as long. But I wonder why there is such a huge gap during the day.

Acela, for example, runs every hour during the day between New York and the capital, and this on a congested stretch of track dealing with other Amtrak trains and three different suburban railroads.

The 9-hour gap is not surprising. What's surprising is it's preceded by a 15-minute gap. Maybe someone knows the reason...?
Yeah, I missed the day gap, sorry.

AFAIK, NEC has numerous 3- and 4-track stretches (my knowledge about NEC is partly from Microsoft Train Simulator, lol), unlike the Oktyabr Railroad Mainline, wich is 2 track. The construction of 4 track section between Lenigradski Terminal in Moscow and station Krukovo in Moscovska oblast (=state) started this year, and it need some time to be completed.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 04:40 PM   #44
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The plane schedules also show that early morning and late evening flights have a higher demand, the sames goes for the trains.

I believe the current schedule does not contain the additional Nizhniy Novgorod-St. Petersburg through trains because currently the units are being moved on after another to Germany for a regular big check.
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Well, because there is an rush hours and a non-rush hours... And the Simens didn't installed 2 train capability on the first set of trains So railway is forced to launch them one after another.

And the maximal gap isn't 9 hours - no sane person would ride a sitting train all night long, while Moscow - St. P. still have a number of sleepers, both premium and regular. There is just no demand on Sapsan after 20 and before 6.
Should this be interpreted so that students are not sane?
The sitting carriages are very much (50% or so) cheaper than sleepers, so people who are okay with sleeping on a seat travel that way. Of course there's no need for a fast and expensive trainset for students that want to sleep and have no need to be at the destination at five in the morning, so they just attach sitting wagons to night trains.
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Should this be interpreted so that students are not sane?
The sitting carriages are very much (50% or so) cheaper than sleepers, so people who are okay with sleeping on a seat travel that way. Of course there's no need for a fast and expensive trainset for students that want to sleep and have no need to be at the destination at five in the morning, so they just attach sitting wagons to night trains.
3rd class sleeper "platskart" is a traditional way of travelling for students in post-USSR countries
It's cheap and comfortable at the same time.
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3rd class sleeper "platskart" is a traditional way of travelling for students in post-USSR countries
It's cheap and comfortable at the same time.
Well, obshiy is of course even cheaper than platskarta. Also, so that people don't mix thing up too much, most of passengers in platskarta wagons are something else than students – pretty much everything but businessmen.
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Speed profile from my last trip on Sapsan:



Train 152 from Moscow to St. Petersburg. I found the non-stop Sapsan stopped twice on the way, looks like two technical stops, as some rail staffs were doing something just outside of the train. What were they doing there?
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Old March 9th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #51
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share GPX please


here is two good tracks

Moscow - Saint Petersburg
http://www.gpslib.net/tracks/info/15...Peterburg.html
http://www.gpslib.net/tracks/map-speed.php?id=15338

and Moscow - Nizhny Novgorod
http://www.gpslib.net/tracks/info/12...-Novgorod.html
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Old March 9th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #52
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Train 152 Moscow to St. Petersburg: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2012/20120118/152.gpx.bz2

Train 001 St. Petersburg to Moscow: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2012/20120118/001.gpx.bz2

Train 003 Beijing to Moscow: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2012/20120118/K3.gpx.bz2
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Thanks. Two stops were made exactly at Tver and Chudovo stations. I guess just technical stops. 154 makes stops at Tver and Chudovo, but runs 10 minutes longer. Afair, originally it was running 3:35, now 3:45. So, possibly timetable adjustments due to extensive poorly scheduled suburban traffic. But mostly there is no sane logic what what RZhD is doing.

From April 9 152 will run 3:50 with technical stop at Bushevets station (7km before Bologoe).
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But mostly there is no sane logic what what RZhD is doing.
what? no way!
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sorry, video has been removed = (
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It's extreme ride by ON (yes, ON) the express train.

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Oh Russia! You never cease to surprise
Actually that came from German, which have much more aggressive train-surfing subculture. Surfing 300+ ICE is not uncommon, and that is tougher feat than riding 200 km\h stretch near Moscow.
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Siemens delivers new high-speed Sapsan train to Russia
19 DEC, 2013



The first of a new fleet of Sapsan trains, which will double the number of high-speed units operating in Russia, has been delivered by Siemens.

Russian Railways (RZD) welcomed the first of the new fleet [not pictured] of eight 10-car Velaro units at Ust-Luga earlier this week.

The new high-speed trains are part of a €600 million order placed in 2011 which also included a 30-year maintenance contract.

Siemens has said that the new vehicles, which were built in Krefeld, will eventually be transported to the company’s Metallostroy depot depot near Saint Petersburg.

Another train is expected to be delivered by the end of the month, with all eight vehicles due to arrive in Russia by the middle of next year.

Although similar to the German ICE 3, the Sapsan, which has operated on the Moscow – St Petersburg and Moscow – Nizhny Novgorod routes since 2009, is actually 33 centimeters wider to operate on Russia broad gauge network.
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RZD looks to restart Moscow-Kazan HSL project
9 FEB, 2014

Project leaders developing plans for a $30 billion high-speed line between Moscow and Kazan will present the findings of an independent financial and technical study later this month.

Discussing the project at an event in January, Alexander Misharin first vice-president of Russian Railways (RZD) outlined the scope of the 770-kilometre high-speed link to a room of politicians and industry representatives.

Journey times between Moscow and Kazan would be reduced to three-and-a-half hours by the new high-speed route, with line speeds of up to 400 km/h.

The independent audit was commisioned towards the end of 2013 to confirm the feasibility of the proposals. Concerns had been raised after the estimated cost of the project rose from RUB 928 billion to RUB 1.06 trillion, putting increased pressure on public finances.

As well as the report, RZD is also planning to submit an updated financial model for the line, identifying new sources of funding to cover the additional costs, according to president Vladimir Yakunin.

Around 7.5 million passengers will use the Moscow-Kazan line each year, say RZD.

The project will also create significant employment opportunities, with 370,000 construction jobs and 5,600 operational positions expected to be created.
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