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Old May 2nd, 2014, 09:18 AM   #61
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You could probably fix the 70mph zones if you had to by reducing the slope of the tracks at that point, but it would look stupid on the government as they are currently spending big bucks as we speak to upgrade it just to those 90mph standards, yet alone 220mph. Back in 2009 when they allocated funding for that work HSR was nothing but a far off fantasy and regional rail was the focus. The corridor will go from a 3 track 60mph area to an 8 track 90mph area, it was already the largest mixed rail upgrade in Canada for nearly a century. They may be able to install some concrete ties and push the speed up a bit, but 220mph will never be realistically possible on that stretch.
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I would assume the 71 min travel time from London to Toronto includes wait times at the Kitchener and Pearson stations. It would not be a non-stop ride.
I understand that it's politically problematic for it not to stop in both Kitchener and Pearson, but does one largely negate the benefits of HSR when one stops that often? How many km apart are stops on a typical European HSR route?
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Wouldn't a line Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City make much more sense?
Not necessarily. Heading west to Detroit is equally compelling as it would connect Toronto to the US HSR system.
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You are going to spend a lot of money for it in any case. Why not start with a top class system?
That's how Ontario politics works. We spend tons of money to build it half right, then spend tons more money to build it how it should have been built in the first place. We'll end up with a patchwork of builds that we attempt to stitch together into a 'seamless' system.

In other words, we rarely have the foresight to take a long term view. Toronto's 'new' soccer stadium, BMO Field, is a good example of this. It was built with absolutely no consideration for future growth over the coming decades despite having tons of space to work with. Not 7 years in and they're already realizing that they can't add capacity easily because they built right up to the lot line on one side.

It's supremely stupid, but that's how things work here. Ontario's HSR will not be cutting edge on any level. It will be cobbled together from existing rail lines, try to serve the needs of too many conflicting interest groups, and then be branded HSR even if it's not all that high speed.

It will be a vast improvement over what exists now so Ontarians will support it despite the short sightedness of it all.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 01:09 PM   #65
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Some services could make stop-overs in the Kitchener and Pearson while some would be non-stop. What is interesting if that this speed-up makes it competitive to re-launch a Detroit - Windsor - Toronto service. Or even from Chicago maybe.
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That's how Ontario politics works. We spend tons of money to build it half right, then spend tons more money to build it how it should have been built in the first place. We'll end up with a patchwork of builds that we attempt to stitch together into a 'seamless' system.
have you even looked at the plans? its 320km/h HSR running on a new corridor.. its about as good as it gets. Just because they aren't going full scale and building 1000km of HSR in phase 1 doesn't mean the phase they are building is inferior.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 06:18 AM   #67
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have you even looked at the plans? its 320km/h HSR running on a new corridor.. its about as good as it gets. Just because they aren't going full scale and building 1000km of HSR in phase 1 doesn't mean the phase they are building is inferior.
I haven't seen the plans, but I've lived here long enough to know that projects rarely take a long term comprehensive approach here. It's almost always a patchwork. If the Quebec - Windsor HSR system is built with a clean slate from the ground up (as it should) I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Your comment 'its about as good as it gets' sums it up well. You're just used to how things work in this country. It's all too often a compromise 'solution' rather than what should happen because there are too many cooks in the kitchen, weak leadership, and not enough common sense to go around.

It's often said that Canada is a nation with a 1st rate economy, 2nd rate education system, and 3rd rate politicians. It's quite accurate imo. Our best and brightest work in the business world, not at City Hall or Parliament Hill.

Ontario is getting better at this, but things like the Scarborough RT is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. It's absurd that you get off the train at Kennedy only to get back on another train at Kennedy to head in the same direction. Sheppard subway is yet another example.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 07:00 AM   #68
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The Liberals just won a majority government tonight (meaning a solid 4 years in office), this project will now likely move ahead! Canada will now finally be getting HSR.
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New York-Toronto HSR? Please?

Could easily transport passengers between Buffalo-New York and Buffalo-Toronto.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 10:42 AM   #70
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New York-Toronto HSR? Please?
No, we're talking about Toronto-London HSR within Ontario province
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Old June 13th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #71
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because there .. .. not enough common sense to go around.
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Old June 13th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #72
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I have a different view of this project.

Upfront I would like to apologize to those who live outside Greater Toronto.

Toronto, to Canada, is becoming like NYC was in the States into the 1950s, the CENTER of the nation.

I view this HSR as a commuter line from London to the center of the Golden Crescent. A very fast commuter line that will enable Londoners to plug into the ever expanding megacity. A GO Transit on steroids. Through the use of local stations, express services, etc., we have a great tool for expanding Toronto's reach.
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Old June 14th, 2014, 12:20 AM   #73
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That's exactly what this is. Southern Ontario is currently struggling, this is designed to tap into the economic engine that is Toronto and spread some of that absolutely insane growth around.

A half decent train service to NYC will likely come once Amtrak does it's upgrades to the empire corridor to buffalo. They badly need to fix the border issue as well however.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 10:49 PM   #74
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High-Speed-Rail plan still alive.

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London, Kitchener and Waterloo Municipal Leaders Meet With Transportation Officials Over Commuter Rail

It is being billed as a reinforcement of the province’s commitment of commuter rail for London, Kitchener and Waterloo.

Representatives from all three centres met with Steven Del Duca, the Ontario Minister of Transportation, at the Association of Municipalities of Ontario (AMO)’s annual general meeting in London, to discuss a number of topics around the need for commuter rail for the three cities.

One of those was the foundation of the High Speed Rail corridor, which was announced back in April, that would run between London and Toronto with stops in Kitchener-Waterloo and at Pearson International Airport. In all, it would take a train 71 minutes to get from downtown London to downtown Toronto at a speed of about 320km/hr.

The plan has an estimated net cost of about $500 million, as apart of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s $29 billion dollar transportation masterplan.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #75
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http://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2014/1...peed-rail.html

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Ontario is taking the next step to build a high-speed rail line that will connect Windsor, London, Kitchener-Waterloo, and Toronto, which will improve travel options, reduce travel time and create jobs by getting people moving.

The start of an environmental assessment (EA) marks the next phase of the project, which includes identifying the most appropriate route, examining state-of-the-art transportation technology options and an environmental impact evaluation.

The EA will be guided by consultations in early 2015 with municipal and business groups, as well as with First Nation and Métis communities.

High-speed rail service connecting Windsor, London, Kitchener-Waterloo, and Toronto is part of the government's long-term transit and infrastructure plan, Moving Ontario Forward. This plan will make nearly $29 billion available over the next 10 years for investments in priority infrastructure projects across the province, including public transit, roads, bridges and highways.
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http://www.lfpress.com/2014/12/10/hi...an-takes-shape

early plans released for High speed rail, now entering more detailed phase.

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Pssst Londoners: do you want a glimpse of where high-speed rail might go through the city?

Location of tracks, number of trains and cost of a ticket: All are laid out in a report on ambitious plans to cut in half the time it takes to go from London to Toronto.

“This looks to be an unusually easy route for a high-speed rail line, about as easy as you can get, in fact, both in terms of construction, and community,” wrote Michael Schabas, a rail consultant with First Class Partnerships, whose team wrote the report for Ontario’s Transportation Ministry.

Trains should be stored and maintained in London, possible at the Electro-Motive Diesel plant on Oxford St. that closed in 2012, he wrote.

Ontario officials announced last week they were sufficiently convinced to take the first major step by conducting an environmental assessment.
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Ontario appoints high-speed rail advisor
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ONTARIO's Ministry of Transportation announced on October 30 that it has appointed former Canadian transport minister Mr David Collenette as its special advisor for high-speed rail to develop options for HSR on the Toronto - London - Windsor corridor

Collenette will advise on the preliminary business case and potential financing models for the project, examine international best practice in high-speed rail, and liaise with ministers and other key stakeholders in the public and private sector

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Not that they have a lot of incentive to, but might they have it go over the border to Detroit, if they can figure out the political stuff?
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Not that they have a lot of incentive to, but might they have it go over the border to Detroit, if they can figure out the political stuff?
It would be good if they had a station with Canadian pre-clearance as long as there are no issues with passengers arriving without checks. Does this happen anywhere else?
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It would be good if they had a station with Canadian pre-clearance as long as there are no issues with passengers arriving without checks. Does this happen anywhere else?
Maybe.

Tijuana's airport is literally right next to the US border, and has a special terminal with border crossing functions on the American side joined to the gates by a hallway. So it is truly an "international" airport. Oh and this is not just some piddly little regional hub, it has flights to Shanghai and San Diego does not.

Something similar would be to physically attach a Detroit High Speed Rail "station" to border crossing facility they will inevitably have to build at the foot of the future Gordie Howe Bridge. Americans would park in a parking lot that also has a rider pick up zone, walk into a terminal with rail tickets/customer service/waiting area/food/rental cars/etc. Then, walk through a corridor and go through border control. On the other side would be a bus platform for special buses which would deliver riders directly to the platform area for the trains in Canada.

The Detroit Windsor Tunnel has the tunnel bus already too so if a station was in central Windsor most could do that. The HSR agency could negotiate to get parking for its users somewhere in downtown Detroit.
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