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Old April 5th, 2009, 02:02 PM   #81
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TTX question

Hey I came across this video of the Korean TTX train is it in service yet? I love the design of this more than the KTX.

Err... I dont know how to embed the video anyways heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGw4sSM6zA
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Old April 6th, 2009, 09:09 AM   #82
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Hey I came across this video of the Korean TTX train is it in service yet? I love the design of this more than the KTX.

Err... I dont know how to embed the video anyways heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGw4sSM6zA
TTX is now undergoing test run, now 80,000km tested and going on untill it reachs 100,000km test run. It's not decided yet whether Korail will purchase this or not. Originally it's developed for speeding up conventional railyways which is electrified but now many conventional railways is straighted or schduled to be straighted at the same time when it's electrified and KTX-II will be put on some of the straighted conventional line, so the position and future of TTX is obsure now. If it may be adopted, it will substituate Sae-Ma-Ul class.

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http://blog.naver.com/knr_7304/60059990390
http://blog.naver.com/knr_7304/60060208671
http://blog.naver.com/knr_7304/60065381112

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Old April 8th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #83
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HEMU-400 Design

A Webzine by KRRI(Korea Railroad Reserarch Institute) reported the process of HEMU-400 design in details.

Here're some pictures.



Above trains were final candidates and 3rd train was selected.
2nd train is duplex type.






Interior





Duplex design (not adopted, but as a sample for the future use)




Final Design



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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:11 PM   #84
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Good and Magnificent it's time to made it that.

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HEMU-400 Design

A Webzine by KRRI(Korea Railroad Reserarch Institute) reported the process of HEMU-400 design in details.

Here're some pictures.



Above trains were final candidates and 3rd train was selected.
2nd train is duplex type.






Interior





Duplex design (not adopted, but as a sample for the future use)




Final Design



soure
Good and Magnificent it's time to made it that so the KTXII will have new once the HEMU 400X so the Korail can't give more comfortable travel for riding public. Very Nice we will look forward for that.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 11:20 PM   #85
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That new design is pretty slick. KTX is awesome, screw the haters!
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Old April 9th, 2009, 11:15 AM   #86
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Really love the new HEMU-400 designs although I must admit that the first design looks quite similar to the Fastech 360Z or S (can't remember).
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Old April 9th, 2009, 04:28 PM   #87
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Very closely in Fastech 360S

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Really love the new HEMU-400 designs although I must admit that the first design looks quite similar to the Fastech 360Z or S (can't remember).
Very ckosely in Fastech 360S but for Japan they get the nose of fastech 360Z for they latest model the Series E5 hayate.
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Old April 10th, 2009, 03:39 AM   #88
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why wouldnt they redesign it to make it an EMU? Push-Pull seems to outdated, not to mention EMU would allow for greater capacity because you dont have locomotives at either end.
EMU = what ???


Any out-of-depot-not-able-to-uncoupple electric multiple unit is an EMU.
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Old April 10th, 2009, 04:12 PM   #89
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Researches were more interesting than the final design, The double-deck looked really awesome. The last version, single deck looks quite "normal" compared to it. But I know what it takes to reach a final design. Interior looks very interesting.

And to answer one last time to agaristagari:
If you would be live in Europe, you would be interested by the TGV saga and its look. External design contributed greatly to its success and you would know also that each operator looks for identity, so before being mad, calm down and read previous threads on this forum. Look is one of the functions of design and only the signature, but it is an important one. Of course, engineering is important too. But nowadays, when all technical parameters, requirement, reach the top, confort, practical and are around similar budgets, how can you choose? Design also works on identity and culture and helps to sell.

Would you like to ride everyday in an old shaking train or modern practical train that looks like the latest Audi or Honda? Then you understand why people come back to ride trains and trams in Europe and leave more often car at home... It is not only ecology or economics, it is also attractivity. And design definitely helps!

Back to Korea now!
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Old April 11th, 2009, 12:09 AM   #90
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Researches were more interesting than the final design, The double-deck looked really awesome. The last version, single deck looks quite "normal" compared to it. But I know what it takes to reach a final design. Interior looks very interesting.

And to answer one last time to agaristagari:
If you would be live in Europe, you would be interested by the TGV saga and its look. External design contributed greatly to its success and you would know also that each operator looks for identity, so before being mad, calm down and read previous threads on this forum. Look is one of the functions of design and only the signature, but it is an important one. Of course, engineering is important too. But nowadays, when all technical parameters, requirement, reach the top, confort, practical and are around similar budgets, how can you choose? Design also works on identity and culture and helps to sell.

Would you like to ride everyday in an old shaking train or modern practical train that looks like the latest Audi or Honda? Then you understand why people come back to ride trains and trams in Europe and leave more often car at home... It is not only ecology or economics, it is also attractivity. And design definitely helps!

Back to Korea now!
How do you conclude where I live?
If it can be so easily done please give me a single example from high speed mass transportation because I haven't ever seen one.
windtunnel and supercomputer aren't cheap.
I would like to travel in fast and reliable train , I don't care if it looked like a *****
And I definitely wouldn't want to travel in train which looks like Audi or Honda as there is only seats for 5
you are first one I have met who supposedly uses trains because they look cool

I think first-grade engineering can result in very beautiful products

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Old April 11th, 2009, 06:06 AM   #91
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I don't like the front look, but I like the rest.
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Old April 11th, 2009, 07:01 AM   #92
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HEMU-400 Design

A Webzine by KRRI(Korea Railroad Reserarch Institute) reported the process of HEMU-400 design in details.

Here're some pictures.



Above trains were final candidates and 3rd train was selected.
2nd train is duplex type.






Interior





Duplex design (not adopted, but as a sample for the future use)




Final Design



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Researches were more interesting than the final design, The double-deck looked really awesome. The last version, single deck looks quite "normal" compared to it. But I know what it takes to reach a final design. Interior looks very interesting.

And to answer one last time to agaristagari:
If you would be live in Europe, you would be interested by the TGV saga and its look. External design contributed greatly to its success and you would know also that each operator looks for identity, so before being mad, calm down and read previous threads on this forum. Look is one of the functions of design and only the signature, but it is an important one. Of course, engineering is important too. But nowadays, when all technical parameters, requirement, reach the top, confort, practical and are around similar budgets, how can you choose? Design also works on identity and culture and helps to sell.
Although I do not read Korean so have no idea what is written within the link but I believe the CGs are nothing more than eye candy which may or may not be developed within the next 5 years. In other words vaporware.
Does the link provide any target dates?

To my knowledge Rotem does not have any prior experience in developing HSR EMUs meaning they will face many technical challenges ahead.
In Japan even with the vast experience, needed the Fastech 360 as a testbed in proving new technology which is scheduled to be incorporated into the E5 series. The front design went through countless computer simulations and wind tunnel testing but still had to go through actual testing utilizing two sepreate designs to determine the final design.

Do you think HEMU-400 will work exactly as they had drew on the drawing board?
I doubt it.
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Old April 11th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #93
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Although I do not read Korean so have no idea what is written within the link but I believe the CGs are nothing more than eye candy which may or may not be developed within the next 5 years. In other words vaporware.
Does the link provide any target dates?

To my knowledge Rotem does not have any prior experience in developing HSR EMUs meaning they will face many technical challenges ahead.
In Japan even with the vast experience, needed the Fastech 360 as a testbed in proving new technology which is scheduled to be incorporated into the E5 series. The front design went through countless computer simulations and wind tunnel testing but still had to go through actual testing utilizing two sepreate designs to determine the final design.

Do you think HEMU-400 will work exactly as they had drew on the drawing board?
I doubt it.
The target date is 2012. Of course there would be many obstacles in their way and the results could come shorter than their orignal targets, but anyway they announced it will be developed by 2012. The day we show it running on tracks would be the remote future, even if it will be successfully developed, because they should use KTX and KTX-II at least for 25 years or more.
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Old April 12th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #95
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come on guys, have faith in Korean....arent's that some of our latest search engines features and consumer electronics patents (from mobile entertaiment to new washing machine technology) were origin from the koreans? yes, yes, yes.. despite those services later were standardised by yahoo, google, apple or the americans.
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Old April 12th, 2009, 03:56 AM   #96
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Great pictures of the workshop.
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Old April 12th, 2009, 12:11 PM   #97
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Hopefully in the not-too-distant future there will be KTX to Pyongyang, Wonsan, and Sinuiju, with connections to CRH to Dandong, Shenyang, Beijing, etc.
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Oops, why the driver seat is not in the middle position of the window? It cut a big part ov vision, although I know that it is not as fundamental as for other vehicules... It seems that the driving place has not designed in relation with the new exterior design... Like if it was wade for the old TGV with two windows... Strange. The rest looks very fine. But here obviously, there is something i don't understand...
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Old April 13th, 2009, 06:54 PM   #100
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I wonder why KTX still use Electric Locomove Unit?
That kind of train is not suitible for hilly suitation of South Korea!
This is the Age of EMU!
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