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Old March 27th, 2017, 01:59 PM   #1001
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Nice to see such enthusiasm - however technically this is not a high speed train of the definition used on these boards as it is only designed 125 mph / 200 km/h work.
I think on pre-existing lines 200 km/h is actually considered HSR.

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Minimum Speed Limit: Minimum speed of 250 km/h (155 mph) on lines specially built for high speed and of about 200 km/h (124 mph) on existing lines which have been specially upgraded. This must apply to at least one section of the line. Rolling stock must be able to reach a speed of at least 200 km/h (124 mph) to be considered high speed.
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Old April 11th, 2017, 05:11 PM   #1002
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From Railway Gazette

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RENFE poised to join Virgin’s HS2 franchise bid
11 Apr 2017





UK: Spanish national operator RENFE is understood to be the front runner to join the Virgin Rail Group joint venture of Stagecoach and Virgin Holdings to bid for the government’s upcoming West Coast Partnership franchise.

Currently Virgin (51%) and Stagecoach (49%) operate inter-city services under the Virgin Trains brand on the West Coast Main Line between London, Birmingham, northwest England and Scotland, having done so since 1997 under a series of franchises and management contracts. Passenger-journeys have grown from approximately 15 million/year in 1997 to 36 million in 2015-16. Its direct award agreement is currently expected to end in April 2019

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Old April 28th, 2017, 12:13 AM   #1003
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Spanish HS2 trainsets

Talgo is preparing a specific train to present it to the tender of 60 trains for the HS2.
https://twitter.com/TalgoGroup/statu...57844744433669
http://www.railtex.co.uk/

It will be in the G4 version (the G3 version is the current prototype and the Renfe 106 and S-122 series) with partially distributed traction (there are several possibilities) and natural pendular by Talgo; it is the only manufacturer with a tilting train at 330 km/h.

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Renfe S-106 and S-122:


According to the tender each train would cost 53 M €, from Talgo tell me that includes maintenance for 12 years. The second batch (only for HS2, with normal /UIC clearance gauge) will be 100 trains.

CAF will also present its Oaris model (320 km/h today), although the one sold to Flytoget is only for 250 (it is a shuttle train to the airport: 64 km). (See the image of the previous message).


Renfe tried to introduce himself with Virgin and Stagecoach (finally allied with SNCF), and also tried with MTR, but eventually will not appear, although he will apply for the passport to operate in the UK.
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Old April 29th, 2017, 11:40 AM   #1004
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Wow, the renderings look really nice. The rail travel in UK will get into new level and after HS2 there might be HS3, HS4 and HS5 :
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:11 PM   #1005
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Hitachi AT400

I present the one that surely will be the new train for the HS2:

Hitachi unveils AT400 ‘British Bullet Train’ concept
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Designed for 360 km/h operation, the 25 kV 50 Hz AT400 would have 10 to 12 cars with a nominal length of 25 m. It would have sliding pressure-sealed doors at the car ends, and interior options would include standard, business and first class, as well as catering and luggage facilities
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:17 PM   #1006
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Does the 400 in the name imply it's 400 km/h capable, in the same vein as the e320 and InterCity 225?
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #1007
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There are no 400-certified trains, the closest being 380 km / h in China.
The current Hitachi model is the AT300 and can only go to 225.
It's just a nice name.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #1008
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I think it has more to do with the series to which they belong. Hitachi have other trains in the ATx00 range:

AT100 = metro (concept)
AT200 = suburban/interregio (ScotRail class 385)
AT300 = long distance / high speed (Class 395, IEP)
AT400 = very high speed

There is a bit of a connection with HS2 though:
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HS2 has been designed with a maximum line speed capability of up to 250mph (400kph). The maximum operating speed at opening would be 225mph (360kph), with services timetabled assuming an actual operating speed of around 205mph (330kph).
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Old May 9th, 2017, 07:41 PM   #1009
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Where's that quote from?
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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:14 PM   #1010
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It's from the Route Corridor and Design Speed Review report.
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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:17 PM   #1011
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Thanks. I hoped it was Wikipedia, so I could change all those kph to km/h
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 02:35 PM   #1012
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HS2 Ltd reveals rolling stock contract shortlist

UK: Five bidders have been shortlisted for the contract to supply ‘at least 54’ trainsets for High Speed 2, project promoter HS2 Ltd announced on November 2.

They are Alstom Transport, Bombardier Transportation UK, Hitachi Rail Europe, Patentes Talgo and Siemens.

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Old November 7th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #1013
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Candidate trains to the HS2

The short list of bidders for the first trains for the British High Speed 1 has already been published.
At least 54 trains will be awarded in the spring of 2018 for about 2,750 M £ (50.93 M £ each train: 57.22 M €) with maintenance included for 12 years in the future Washwood Heath depot in Birmingham.
2017: (November): announcement of the five selected manufacturers (Alstom, Bombardier, Hitachi, Siemens and Talgo)
2018: (Spring): invitations to tender process will be issued
2019: contract awarding
2026: first trains enter service

They will have a maximum speed of 360 km/h, 8 cars, 200 meters long, and will serve in 2026 on the HS2 and the West Coast Main Line, so they require Stephenson gauge and tilt.

Still do not know what trains will present, but personally I think these will be.

Alstom
New Duplex (difficult, to have two levels and can not be tilted)


AGV


Ademe (plan)


Bombardier
CRH1 380 first name dismissed for CRH380D based on Bombardier Zefiro 380:



Hitachi AT400



Siemens Velaro


Talgo Avril G4


Although it appears in the media, I do not think that Bombardier presents the V300Zefiro (ETR 1000 in Italy) because it is manufactured by a consortium with Ansaldo, which was bought by Hitachi.


As for Alstom, they are teaching the Avelia Liberty model, an evolution of New Pendolino suitable for speeds around 250 km/h.


HS2 on the other hand is teaching renders of a fictional model:


Models submitted to the last international tender, in Spain for Renfe just one year ago:

Columns in the first row:
Total cost of the contract / Cost of all trains / Cost of each train / Cost of each train including maintenance / Total cost of maintenance / Cost of maintenance of each train each year (average) / Seats

Columns in second row:
Technical score / Guarantee / Availability (% of time) / Cost of each seat including maintenance / Variable coefficient (result of applying an equation with some thirty variables: energy consumption, availability, cost of cleaning and major repairs, warranty, terms of delivery ...) / Cost of each seat taking into account the variables / Final score (the technical offer is 35 points out of 100, while the economic one is the remaining 65 for the cheapest and the rest in proportion)

Avril RD: variable gauge.

Hitachi and Bombardier withdrew without submitting an offer.

It must be borne in mind that these first trains must also run on conventional lines with all types of traffic, so it may be necessary to use locomotives for safety reasons for passengers. The second series (another 100 trains) will be only to circulate on the HS2 so there is no problem in having distributed traction.

They also have to be tilters to improve their speed on conventional lines. Alstom has the active Tiltronix system that can not be used in the Duplex, Bombardier used its own system in the Acela, Hitachi and Kawasaki have several active and passive systems only up to 1.5 degrees, Siemens used an active system from SGP in the ICE TD, and Talgo has its natural passive pendulum (natural pendular tilting 4.5 degrees), which implies giving up the wide car box (apart from the gauge) and therefore the 2 + 3 seats.

Most similar trains that are in service:
Alstom Euroduplex: 2 M 8 C 509/556 seats (two levels) 9.280 kW 320 km/h 200 m
Alstom AGV (ETR 575 Italo): 5 M 6 C 460 seats 8.640 kW 300 (360) km/h 200 m
Bombardier Zefiro 380 (CRH380D): 5 M 3 C 495/528 seats (wide car box) 10.000 kW 300 (380) km/h 215 m
Hitachi AT400 (plan): 10 / 12 cars 360 km/h 250 / 300 m
Siemens Velaro D (S-407): 4 M 4 C 443 seats 8.000 kW 320 km/h 201 m
Talgo Avril G3 (S-106 y S-122): 2 M 12 C 519+2 seats (wide car box, 410+2 seats in normal box) 8.800 kW 330 km/h 200 m (delivery in 2020)
Talgo Avril G4 (plan): 6 M 8 C 550 seats (normal box) 12.000 kW 380 km/h 200 m
Talgo 350 (S-102 y S-112): 2 M 12 C 316/365 seats 8.000 kW (Bombardier) 330 km/h 200 m
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Old November 9th, 2017, 07:48 PM   #1014
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The short list of bidders for the first trains for the British High Speed 1 has already been published.
It's High Speed 2 (HS1 is celebrating its 10th birthday at the moment).


I very much doubt that a duplex will be proposed - as you say they have to run on the classic network.

Also, with Siemens and Alstom merging their transport divisions, is this not really a shortlist of 4?

I am surprised that a Chinese company wasn't on there to shake things up a bit. Also, CAF announced a UK factory but are not on the list. Did they bid?
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Old November 9th, 2017, 09:56 PM   #1015
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The merger of Siemens and Alstom is still pending regulatory approval, when approval is given both companies will remain competitors.

Even when approval is given it will take a lot of time to integrate the two companies and their product lines.
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I very much doubt that a duplex will be proposed - as you say they have to run on the classic network.
Given the fuss about level boarding - both wrt dwell times and disabled access, I doubt captive trains will ever be double-deck even though they could.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #1017
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Until recently they were going to present the Oaris to the first phase of the HS2.

El ‘Oaris’ de CAF entra en el punto de mira inglés para la línea de alta velocidad Londres-Birmingham.
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The Secretary of State for Transport of the United Kingdom, Robert Goodwill, has taken advantage of his visit this week to Spain to "know first-hand" a unit of Oaris', of which Norway has already bought 8 units.
And they have their own active tilting system, the SIBI.
And even factory in the United Kingdom.
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