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Old April 20th, 2017, 06:04 PM   #81
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he changes his nonsensical designs every week.

his proposals were debunked as unrealistic at every science forum he posted.

they are as realistic as the supertall designs made JUST FOR FUN at the Sketchup subforums...

It is at many sites and you are the only one to debunk it/them( you must refer to the solar ship which is a bit far ahead in the future ). I wonder if degrading and downgrading others achievements is following the guidelines here ? But right you are this will be changed a bit after this.
I kinda like Elon Musk wild plans to colonize Mars ( they do look very sketchy too )!


US AF is testing the HALL thruster on this. X-37B is 3% of the space shuttle and X-37C will be 6 astronaut ship twice as big.


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I kinda like Elon Musk wild plans to colonize Mars ( they do look very sketchy too )!
very sketchy, except for the fact they already launch multiple rockets per year and even land their 1st stages!
and that they already built the tank!




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US AF is testing the HALL thruster on this. X-37B is 3% of the space shuttle and X-37C will be 6 astronaut ship twice as big.


the HALL thrusters are only to keep orbit, not to impart a delta-v of hundreds of kilometers per second.

and much less to do that with a CREW inside!
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It has an ascent descent module with LH2/LOX yes.


MPDT Hall-thruster type. With 0.5 kN thrust each.


These thrusters develope 10 x in decade so I rely on the 1 MW to be enough.


People don't do interplanetary missions as it very costly ( billions ). Burt Rutan could do it with 1/100th of a cost.


This says they are good for a Mars mission; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet...namic_thruster
they don't, and that week linked article has no mission profile.

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It is at many sites and you are the only one to debunk it/them( you must refer to the solar ship which is a bit far ahead in the future ).
Yes, I am refering to the "Solar Eagle", which you also kept changing it´s profile and people debunked it as impossible in two different spaceflight forums.



where else have you posted your new ship? "Many sites" doesn´t say much if all of those are hardly related to spaceflight and with few people capacitated to analyze your design.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 07:12 AM   #84
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very sketchy, except for the fact they already launch multiple rockets per year and even land their 1st stages!
and that they already built the tank!








the HALL thrusters are only to keep orbit, not to impart a delta-v of hundreds of kilometers per second.

and much less to do that with a CREW inside!

Elon has an advantage yes.


You are wrong about MPDT thrusters.


I have changed this a bit...to increase the delta-v with chemical rockets as this has to take off vertically.


This ship can bring 4 people to Mars surface and 8-12 man crew on orbit. It has two cars inside to be operated on Mars.


The carrier mother ship is fully reusable and can launch another ship to Mars in a week. It can also be controlled aerodynamically in ascent unlike the Space Shuttle.


The mothership wingloading of this "THUNDERBIRD-1" at re-entry is around half of what the Space Shuttle had.


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Here are some numbers. 24 km/s to Mars. It is 40 days there.

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Still trying to understand if Goschio likes your posts because:

A) comical factor
B) he may not like me and thus is pleased I get irritated at the nonsense
C) he truly believes or likes these designs
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Still trying to understand if Goschio likes your posts because:

A) comical factor
B) he may not like me and thus is pleased I get irritated at the nonsense
C) he truly believes or likes these designs


Are you trying to intimitade Goschio from thinking with his/her own brains ?


Think about a while about the Elon Musk design ( who seems to be your rock star ) how does it stand on Mars surface being nearly 50 meters tall ? How many electric cars ( mini-rovers ) does it have on board ? Mine has two. They are recharged with new type of wind turbine.


Instead of spitting on my design you could try to explain what does not work on it ( possibly ) ?


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There are also other kinda space ships on similar likes like mine.

From present the HILLS space plane is asomewhat similar.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/foru...?topic=19074.0

These can be found in plethora of examples.

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can it be made into working small scale model?
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can it be made into working small scale model?

Yes Orion602 it could be made into a working model. I think I have to team up with folks who do amateur rocketry to get the propulsion for the mothership ( Thunderbird-1 ). Certainly it could also be just a free flying model first. That is what the H.I.L.L.S. guys also did... lots of models.


The gain is that you can get more stuff up with less fuss and fuel and you can reuse the craft 100%.


For some reason unknown to me none of these planeversions really worked well so far.Ok Shuttle and X-37C excluded ( they aren't going to deep space and don't fly to space ). SS1 and SS2 aren't orbital.


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There has been still in 1989 a patented design from Boeing in circulation.

http://robotpig.net/__aerospace/tsto.php?page=0


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Still trying to understand if Goschio likes your posts because:

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B) he may not like me and thus is pleased I get irritated at the nonsense
C) he truly believes or likes these designs
I like the designs. Please don't be irritated.
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The third systems-testing rocket in Argentina's carrier rocket developement programme was launched yesterday, called VEx 5A. According to CONAE, the country's space agency, the test was a success since all the major systems that were being tested worked perfectly. However, 6 seconds after launch fuel suply to the engines stopped suddenly (Argentina's rockets will use liquid fuel instead of solid fuel) and the rocket plummeted to the ground, causing a big exposion. The cause of this problem is yet to be determined. Here I'll leave a video of the event:



And here's a link to the the official report, in Spanish: http://www.conae.gov.ar/index.php/es...2017/910-vex5a
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Yes Orion602 it could be made into a working model. I think I have to team up with folks who do amateur rocketry to get the propulsion for the mothership ( Thunderbird-1 ). Certainly it could also be just a free flying model first. That is what the H.I.L.L.S. guys also did... lots of models.

The gain is that you can get more stuff up with less fuss and fuel and you can reuse the craft 100%.

For some reason unknown to me none of these planeversions really worked well so far.Ok Shuttle and X-37C excluded ( they aren't going to deep space and don't fly to space ). SS1 and SS2 aren't orbital.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you post some models of some sort of layered wood from which you wanted to build your first electric spaceship? Does that still exist? And do you plan to build this spaceship from wood as well?
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The third systems-testing rocket in Argentina's carrier rocket developement programme was launched yesterday, called VEx 5A. According to CONAE, the country's space agency, the test was a success since all the major systems that were being tested worked perfectly. However, 6 seconds after launch fuel suply to the engines stopped suddenly (Argentina's rockets will use liquid fuel instead of solid fuel) and the rocket plummeted to the ground, causing a big exposion. The cause of this problem is yet to be determined. Here I'll leave a video of the event:



And here's a link to the the official report, in Spanish: http://www.conae.gov.ar/index.php/es...2017/910-vex5a

Chamber pressure dropped...possibly due to g-forces. See how developed the US welding systems are; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkjMnWNjic


NASAs Antares explodes here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAymWDiBRc
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you post some models of some sort of layered wood from which you wanted to build your first electric spaceship? Does that still exist? And do you plan to build this spaceship from wood as well?

Yes I have developed the Virginus Clark and Howard Hughes developed Duramold into a 2 x more stronger material with Kevlar density. It is very expensive. Space rockets could be the application as it is radiation proof...better than steel or lead ( when weight considered ).
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Are you trying to intimitade Goschio from thinking with his/her own brains ?


Think about a while about the Elon Musk design ( who seems to be your rock star ) how does it stand on Mars surface being nearly 50 meters tall ? How many electric cars ( mini-rovers ) does it have on board ? Mine has two. They are recharged with new type of wind turbine.


Instead of spitting on my design you could try to explain what does not work on it ( possibly ) ?



do you really think throwing hundreds of different designs that constantly change on a piece of paper compares to what SpaceX, Blue Origin, etc, are doing?



what doesn´t work on your design? For a start, the RIDICULOUS assumption you can accelerate a spaceship, dozens of kilometers per second, using solar collectors and ion engines!

it´s laughable! Even VASMR would need 200 MW impossible 1W/kg nuclear power generator to reach Mars in 30 days!
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do you really think throwing hundreds of different designs that constantly change on a piece of paper compares to what SpaceX, Blue Origin, etc, are doing?



what doesn´t work on your design? For a start, the RIDICULOUS assumption you can accelerate a spaceship, dozens of kilometers per second, using solar collectors and ion engines!

it´s laughable! Even VASMR would need 200 MW impossible 1W/kg nuclear power generator to reach Mars in 30 days!
I estimate 40-50 days to MARS with this craft. It can have few lithium batteries as well.

MPDT may be modest in power, but it is more efficient than nuclear powered ship in space.

Watch and learn why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXiitWK_6Qg


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I down graded the out put of the MPDT thruster. I have now power that will keep 5 gliders airborne in the atmosphere with ion-thruster ( xenon ) and my craft is in space with no gravity I don't need more power / kg than a glider.

I assume the 200 kW will run the systems on on the mothership.


How much would you pay for a honeymoon in space ? 8 couples can be fitted in. I could also fit 12 seats on the carrier so altogether 32 people can become astronauts at once. Also the 3 month trip to Mars is on the agenda...and for the 4 lucky ones a mini rover ride on the red planet ?!..:) The greenhouse will provide fresh fruits ( and OJ ) on the way to Mars and back...and vegetables ( they are good for you ). I am not 100% sure, but I think this could practically be able to stay in space for ever now ???

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Chamber pressure dropped...possibly due to g-forces. See how developed the US welding systems are; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkjMnWNjic


NASAs Antares explodes here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAymWDiBRc
Or maybe one of the valves malfunctioned. The previous test rocket, although having a smaller engine, flew without any problems. This is the first of the three to fail in-flight and explode. It's just a matter of solving that problem and launching a new test rocket. We're almost there regarding the developement of the final Tronador II and III carrier rockets.
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