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Old October 17th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #41
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That's what the existing car park is for.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 02:53 PM   #42
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I worked on Brisbane Square a long time ago as a cadet. There is no lift core down there, nor do i think the columns were designed to accommodate a future tower
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Old October 17th, 2017, 03:53 PM   #43
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The more I look at it the more I dislike it, the building design is great, the location is bad.

Firstly for the public space reasons already listed, there are dozens of sites in Brisbane suitable for such a size development, if there is the demand in this location, there will also be the demand elsewhere it doesn’t have to be in public space.

Secondly, it’s encroachment onto the Treasury Building, the Treasury building is one of Brisbane’s best heritage buildings, and this proposal will not only cast more shadows onto the building but it encroaches into the space surrounding and detracts further from the heritage value.
1. It's not technically public space and the space that most people use will still be there because of the 30m road boundary.

2. I don't see how this is any different to the building proposed across the road? In terms of viewing from South Brisbane etc it will make zero difference and from ground level the views from George street could actually be improved by this proposal.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:16 AM   #44
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I worked on Brisbane Square a long time ago as a cadet. There is no lift core down there, nor do i think the columns were designed to accommodate a future tower
I thinks its just an exercise to increase the value of the building land, bet it comes up for sale in the near future.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:24 AM   #45
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When they've signed up tenants? Unlikely.

I assume that even if they have to close and recognise half the car park, it would be worthwhile.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:44 AM   #46
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I thinks its just an exercise to increase the value of the building land, bet it comes up for sale in the near future.
Charter Hall are very large and very active office building owners and developers (with a $12.7 billion portfolio), they aren't the type that would secure an approval and then on-sell.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 03:59 AM   #47
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BSQ1 has floorplates of 1,400 - 1,700m2 lettable area. that it is not small, but waterfront is 1,800m2, 480 queen is 1,700m2. my little box is 1,700m2 footprint area, so you'd expect typical lettable area to be closer to 1,300m2. that's getting on the small side for modern office towers, so i think there will be a few tricks to it.

plus, they will need carparking.
I recon you're close, 1300-1500m2. Maybe twin lifts to reduce core.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #48
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i reckon they're going to have trouble squeezing it in. BSQ1 has a footprint area of 2,600m2, and you need a big floorplate to appeal to tenants. i reckon there will be something tricky in the DA... i don't expect this one to be an easy approval like you're suggesting.



Just out of interest, but could the developers potentially fit a third tower in the bottom southern corner of the square?
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Old October 18th, 2017, 09:25 AM   #49
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Just out of interest, but could the developers potentially fit a third tower in the bottom southern corner of the square?
Depends how much of a public square you want leftover.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 09:28 AM   #50
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Don't think so. The site is a similar size to 300 George and Brisbane Square 1 takes up about the size of the hotel and resort in 300 George. This new tower would be similar to their office.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 10:06 AM   #51
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Just have a look at google maps as to how much the current Brisbane Square shades the Treasury Building, this will only make it worse
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Old October 18th, 2017, 10:31 AM   #52
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#Project: Brisbane Square Tower 2 - Office

For how many hours of the day for how many days of the year? Also remove the shadow from the Hitachi building etc.

I'm sure the DA will have shadow diagrams, but until it's assessed we won't know the extent of the impact.
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Just look at the current google maps satellite imagery..

We shouldn’t be casting arguably one of the best heritage buildings in Brisbane in even more shadow..
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Old October 18th, 2017, 10:40 AM   #54
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What about it? That's a single point in time over an entire year.

In fact, I'm often the person arguing for more shade to ensure you can see things more clearly without the glare.

That's beside the point though. Its a single point in time and not fully representative of annual reality.
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Sun shadow analysis usually covers the full extent of winter and summer solstices to determine the impact the proposal will have on surroundings.
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So you think shadowing a heritage building is a positive thing?
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:01 AM   #57
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I'm saying it's not necessarily a negative thing.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #58
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I really don't understand why shadowing is seen as such a bad thing? Everyone makes it sound like a building will cast a solid black line over everything. The treasury building will be a shade darker for a few hours, so what?
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:19 AM   #59
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Well that’s a matter of opinion..

Personally I feel casting shadows over heritage buildings is a massive negative. An issue which is even more significant when it comes to heritage buildings of significance like Treasury and Brisbane City Hall.

The argument for further shadowing IMO is a limited one. It’s relevant to public spaces like King George Square, but cast shadows from adjacent buildings won’t achieve the desired effect, shadows cast will be greatest in winter when people are seeking the sun and shortest in summer when they actually want to cool down.
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But why?

Do you get annoyed when it's overcast as well?
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