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[SamuraiBlue]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

Officially sponsored prostitution, women paid salary, but we have to admit that recruitment process was not quite perfect.... some agents were cheating/abducting women by force and pocketing the wages I think there was this old Japanese newspaper reporting on rogue agents like this being busted. I would say, Imperial Japan had the responsibility not to let loose those rogue agents. (「監督責任」 - in a word) Not surprising that victims of such rogue agents come to think Imperial Japan systematically hunted Korean women for "sex slaves".

Yeah but all agents were independent and not within the military organization.

[2co2co]

Originally Posted by SamuraiBlue

Yeah but all agents were independent and not within the military organization.

If your iPad is faulty, Apple takes responsibility, not Hon Hai / Foxconn.

[SamuraiBlue]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

If your iPad is faulty, Apple takes responsibility, not Hon Hai / Foxconn.

Your analogy does not work since IJA did not operate the brothels either, they merely endorsed it to the men as Michelin would recommend restaurants and Michelin would not be placed responsible for any false labeled ingredient in a dish the restaurant served.

=Edit=

Another point would be that even if your analogy is true, Hon Hai / Foxconn will take equal responsibility in accountability and compensation. SK has not taken either and is actively denouncing the act even though many individuals from the Korea peninsula were acting as those recruitment agents placing sole blame on Japan and washing their own hands in the process.

[ukiyo]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

Officially sponsored prostitution, women paid salary, but we have to admit that recruitment process was not quite perfect.... some agents were cheating/abducting women by force and pocketing the wages I think there was this old Japanese newspaper reporting on rogue agents like this being busted. I would say, Imperial Japan had the responsibility not to let loose those rogue agents. (「監督責任」 - in a word) Not surprising that victims of such rogue agents come to think Imperial Japan systematically hunted Korean women for "sex slaves".

賛成です。

Originally Posted by SamuraiBlue

Another point would be that even if your analogy is true, Hon Hai / Foxconn will take equal responsibility in accountability and compensation. SK has not taken either and is actively denouncing the act even though many individuals from the Korea peninsula were acting as those recruitment agents placing sole blame on Japan and washing their own hands in the process.

Korea was also a colony under Japan at the time so indirectly we can view all of it as Japan's responsibility...(but not really since I don't think the koreans involved in it should be able to just "wash their hands" of it). I think the main problem with Korea is simply how they talk about it today. Japan even offered direct payments to the comfort women but it was rejected and the money that was intended for them was used for economic gain...that is their government's problem not Japan's. Also in the 90s Japan once again offered direct payments and direct letters of apologies through government and private citizens donations but the women were pressured by korean right wingers to not accept it because it was not "entirely the government" . So I think this is a problem of Korea more than Japan...but at the same time I really can't understand why Japan which I personally view more in the right than in the wrong on this issue occasionally elects right wingers who for almost no reason like to say things that if they simply think about it for 5 seconds will obviously cause problems and give the other side more fuel for their anti-Japan rhetoric. It's extremely annoying because 特ア does not care about the majority of Japanese who do not say such things or even disagree with them (and have done many things to "fix" the problem) but will focus entirely on what Hashimoto said for example as if it represents all of Japan.

[SamuraiBlue]

One thing people must understand in discussing this issue is that the comfort women issue happened in a different time with different moral standards. It was when parents sold off their 7th,8th,Xth offspring to human trafficking and institutional prostitution was legal.
Labeling what had happened with present moral standards is meaningless and only serves people with political agenda.

If people are going to discuss about it, people should at first acknowledge the issue as a whole including the social background, how to prevent it in the future and not simply denunciation what had happened in the past.

[ukiyo]

I agree, that's why so many even in Japan now are getting annoyed (i've been following the trending comments on twitter) at Hashimoto because he is randomly bringing it up in the present and even trying to justify those morals in the present era (saying american soldiers should do it now). The whole thing was meaningless. Anyway hopefully people forget about it soon.

[SamuraiBlue]

Originally Posted by ukiyo

I agree, that's why so many even in Japan now are getting annoyed (i've been following the trending comments on twitter) at Hashimoto because he is randomly bringing it up in the present and even trying to justify those morals in the present era (saying american soldiers should do it now). The whole thing was meaningless. Anyway hopefully people forget about it soon.

To be fair, trying to explain human acts that are based on biological reaction and remain politically correct is meaningless.
We know that any living thing whether it be botanical or animal when threatened will try to reproduce. Humans as part of the animal kingdom reacts in the same way with highly elevated sexual drive when facing life or death situation in battle and/or simulated situation.
We human need to acknowledge that we are still part of the animal kingdom with the same biological drives. Trying to suppress and or worse over gloss that elevated sex drive is not going to solve anything and will only complicate the issue.

[2co2co]

If you apply today's moral standards to WWII IJA, comfort women is outright wrong.
If you apply past's moral standard, comfort women was a realistic approach to contain the fact that humans are animals. Otherwise, just look what Soviets did in Berlin. The average educational and cultural background was weaker and the fraction of uncivilized people were much higher among frontline soldiers. What Hashimoto said was right in this regard, but he mistake was to apply this past's moral standards to today.

This would put the argument one step forward, and we now talk about what was the best way of operating the comfort women system. And in my opinion, the way the system was run was too faulty, resulting in the rise of "IJA's systematic organized sex slave" conspiracy theory 50 years later. At least, those rogue agents, Korean and Japanese, must be busted.

[ukiyo]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

but he mistake was to apply this past's moral standards to today.

Japanese women didn't even have equal rights in Japan until 1945, today it's obviously offensive. But check the news below..

[ukiyo]

Nippon Ishin to Expel Lawmaker over "Comfort Women" Gaffes

Osaka, May 17 (Jiji Press)--Nippon Ishin No Kai (Japan Restoration Party) will expel House of Representatives lawmaker Shingo Nishimura for his inappropriate comments about so-called "comfort women," or wartime prostitutes for soldiers of the now-defunct Imperial Japanese Army, a party executive said Friday.

"Japan is still swarming with prostitutes--South Koreans," Nishimura told a party meeting in Tokyo. "Tell the South Koreans in downtown Osaka streets, 'You're comfort women, right?'"

Nishimura held a press conference immediately after the meeting and said he wanted to withdraw the remark. But an even more inflammatory comment was found on his Web site.

"Even now, there are many South Korean comfort women, or prostitutes, even in Akasaka, the up-market entertainment district near the Diet. This makes me wonder if South Korea exports comfort women," Nishimura said on the Web site. The comment has already been deleted.

http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2013051700936

Ishin really needs to calm down.. I am surprised Ishihara hasn't come out and said again women's only purpose is to be baby making machines

Japan still tops in life expectancy

GENEVA – Japan retained the top spot in terms of average life expectancy for both sexes in 2011, tying with Switzerland and San Marino, a republic surrounded by Italy, the World Health Organization said in a report released Wednesday.

Men and women in the three countries live to an average age of 83, the WHO said in “World Health Statistics 2013.”

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.UZj2rLXVD7E

[castermaild55]

Abe to promote talks with N. Korea over abduction issue

FUKUOKA (Kyodo) -- Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Sunday he is ready to promote talks with North Korea to resolve the issue of the country's past abductions of Japanese nationals.

"I hope I can promote negotiations and dialogue (with Pyongyang)," Abe told reporters in the city of Fukuoka. "I will continue pressuring North Korea as long as the abduction issue remains unresolved."

His comments came after his adviser, Isao Iijima, made a surprise visit to Pyongyang, during which he demanded in talks with North Korean officials that Pyongyang return all of the Japanese abductees, hand over the abductors and provide a full account of the abductions.

In response, the North Korean officials told Iijima that they will report the Japanese government's demands to their leader Kim Jong Un, according to a Japanese government source.

Abe said he had been briefed by Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga about Iijima's trip but added, "I cannot reveal the content. I will talk with Mr. Iijima, if necessary."

"I am determined to achieve the return of all abductees, hunt for the truth of the abductions and secure the handover of abductors under my Cabinet," the prime minister said. "I will comprehensively resolve the issues of abduction as well as (Pyongyang's) nuclear and missile programs in accordance with the Pyongyang Declaration."

In the declaration signed in Pyongyang in 2002 by then Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and the late North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, the two countries agreed to work toward the normalization of relations.

Regarding Iijima's trip, which raised eyebrows in Washington and Seoul, economic revitalization minister Akira Amari said in an NHK talk show that Japan will take the initiative in resolving the abduction issue.

"It is an extremely important issue separate from the interests of other countries," Amari said. "It is an area in which Japan should take the initiative."

Iijima's trip surprised the United States and South Korea, which have been working with Japan on coordinating their policy response to the North's nuclear and missile programs.

"Prime Minister Abe showed the resolve to move forward, even by a step or two, the abduction issue on his own when he formed the Cabinet," Amari said when asked about the purpose of Iijima's visit, adding he hoped the meaning of the trip would be inferred as government ministers are not supposed to comment on it.

The abduction issue remains a key obstacle to normalizing relations between Japan and North Korea.

http://mainichi.jp/english/english/n...dm067000c.html

this is an interesting news
U.S and south Korea complained..
it means U.S , South korea and China are truble
and North korea did two salute of guns
North Korea Fires Missiles
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...202791354.html

truth was.....

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

If you apply today's moral standards to WWII IJA, comfort women is outright wrong.
If you apply past's moral standard, comfort women was a realistic approach to contain the fact that humans are animals. Otherwise, just look what Soviets did in Berlin. The average educational and cultural background was weaker and the fraction of uncivilized people were much higher among frontline soldiers. What Hashimoto said was right in this regard, but he mistake was to apply this past's moral standards to today.

This would put the argument one step forward, and we now talk about what was the best way of operating the comfort women system. And in my opinion, the way the system was run was too faulty, resulting in the rise of "IJA's systematic organized sex slave" conspiracy theory 50 years later. At least, those rogue agents, Korean and Japanese, must be busted.

i think the problem is ..
the Japanese think the korean is as same as us...
they are different.
Even if 1,000 years pass as for the Japanese, it cannot go to this domain
http://japanese.joins.com/article/765/171765.html

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by ukiyo

Nippon Ishin to Expel Lawmaker over "Comfort Women" Gaffes


Ishin really needs to calm down.. I am surprised Ishihara hasn't come out and said again women's only purpose is to be baby making machines

Japan still tops in life expectancy

http://birthofblues.livedoor.biz/archives/51430237.html

anyway I think we should discuss it　thoroughly
to avoid it is getting worse.

BTW
Nadeshiko Ishin
http://homepage3.nifty.com/syufu/

all Japanese wives who experienced war agreed with Hashimoto opinion

http://nadeshikoishin.sub.jp/index.html


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[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by castermaild55

i think the problem is ..
the Japanese think the korean is as same as us...
they are different.
Even if 1,000 years pass as for the Japanese, it cannot go to this domain
http://japanese.joins.com/article/765/171765.html

S. Korean newspaper column calls atomic bombing "divine punishment"

The South Korean newspaper JoongAng Ilbo carried a column dated Monday by an editorial writer describing the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as "divine punishment," drawing protests from the Japanese government.

The column also criticized Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and other Japanese leaders for their views on history.

The Japanese Embassy in South Korea told the newspaper on Tuesday that publication of the article was regrettable, embassy sources said late Wednesday. The newspaper is said to have told the Embassy that the column does not reflect the views of the company.

In Tokyo on Thursday, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga expressed his unhappiness with the column.

"The expressions used in the article were really ridiculous," the top government spokesman told a news conference. As the world's only country having suffered nuclear bombings, Japan "never forgives such views," he said.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...ombing-divine-

[castermaild55]

Originally Posted by 2co2co

Officially sponsored prostitution, women paid salary, but we have to admit that recruitment process was not quite perfect.... some agents were cheating/abducting women by force and pocketing the wages I think there was this old Japanese newspaper reporting on rogue agents like this being busted. I would say, Imperial Japan had the responsibility not to let loose those rogue agents. (「監督責任」 - in a word) Not surprising that victims of such rogue agents come to think Imperial Japan systematically hunted Korean women for "sex slaves".

Yes it was..
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200503/04...1_11553733.jpg

sad news in Osaka
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/videone...00505-fnn-soci

[user182]

Originally Posted by ukiyo

賛成です。



Korea was also a colony under Japan at the time so indirectly we can view all of it as Japan's responsibility...(but not really since I don't think the koreans involved in it should be able to just "wash their hands" of it). I think the main problem with Korea is simply how they talk about it today. Japan even offered direct payments to the comfort women but it was rejected and the money that was intended for them was used for economic gain...that is their government's problem not Japan's. Also in the 90s Japan once again offered direct payments and direct letters of apologies through government and private citizens donations but the women were pressured by korean right wingers to not accept it because it was not "entirely the government" . So I think this is a problem of Korea more than Japan...but at the same time I really can't understand why Japan which I personally view more in the right than in the wrong on this issue occasionally elects right wingers who for almost no reason like to say things that if they simply think about it for 5 seconds will obviously cause problems and give the other side more fuel for their anti-Japan rhetoric. It's extremely annoying because 特ア does not care about the majority of Japanese who do not say such things or even disagree with them (and have done many things to "fix" the problem) but will focus entirely on what Hashimoto said for example as if it represents all of Japan.

右翼っぽい発言ですね。
一発謝罪してみたら？
それで心が和むんだったら。
本当に苦しんでるんだから。
オレ個人としては右翼の捏造は許せない。
日本の戦争犯罪に対しては当然の報いだと思う。
原住民を抹殺するのと同じことですよ。
何の罪もない人々に土足で上がりこんでおいて侵略をを正当化するつもりですか。
植民地なんて罪です。
しかもイギリスと戦わないで下に向けて刃を突き刺すとか最低の極み。
どうする？この内弁慶の極みは。
だから日本人はジャップと言われても仕方がない、さらにルーツが韓国にあるなら尚更。
誰も侵略しない、されないがベストです。
卑怯の極みですね。


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