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Old October 3rd, 2017, 07:43 PM   #1021
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Dublin could really be a very pleasant city with a little work and better more united architectural vision.
Let me correct that last sentence:

Dublin could really be a very pleasant city if the planners stopped indulging anti-development and anti-gentrification locals. Nothing to do with architectural vision.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 09:20 PM   #1022
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Dublin could really be a very pleasant city if the planners stopped indulging anti-development and anti-gentrification locals. Nothing to do with architectural vision.
That also. But a unified architectural and aesthetic vision governed by one competent body is essential, we dont have it, its why we have ugly shop facades, poorly maintained road ways and paths, ugly cluttered street furniture and lighting, decaying buildings, as well. Which add to the beauty, or lack there of in this instance, of a city as much as the other problem you were talking about
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Old October 4th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #1023
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I appreciate the current discussion tangent has resulted from images relevant to the development but I'm wary of letting this tangent carry on too long in this thread. I think the General Urbanism is the better place to discuss issues such as dereliction or undeveloped plots and the reasons for such
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Old October 4th, 2017, 05:38 AM   #1024
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When i first saw the photos of the red brick facade, I knew I'd seen it somewhere before but couldn't remember where. But finally it came to me; The old Cork school of music that was built in 1956 but demolished i think around the turn of the century to make way for the current building. So the developers have managed to do something really amazing here. They're constructing a building that will look 60 years old the day it opens.

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Old October 4th, 2017, 10:43 PM   #1025
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When i first saw the photos of the red brick facade, I knew I'd seen it somewhere before but couldn't remember where. But finally it came to me; The old Cork school of music that was built in 1956
Yep - that style of brickwork was all the rage from about 1947 to 1957
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Old October 4th, 2017, 11:06 PM   #1026
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You dont have to move to Cork to find good references:





They match much more back than 60 years.



And dont blame developers here but architects as this is their job to produce decent design. If you ask developer to select elevation material, 99% of them will go for cheap aluminium composite panel instead of any ceramics.

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Old October 4th, 2017, 11:19 PM   #1027
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You dont have to move to Cork to find good references:





They match much more back than 60 years.



And dont blame developers here but architects as this is their job to produce decent design. If you ask developer to select elevation material, 99% of them will go for cheap aluminium composite panel instead of any ceramics.
That is insulting to the georgians!
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Old October 4th, 2017, 11:20 PM   #1028
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Yeah - it's about as attractive a "tribute" to Georgian Dublin as Mount St was.

If you want replicas, build them.

If you want attractive modern facades don't cut and paste 1950s semi-D or Georgian brickwork onto high-rise 21st century buildings - why not put a thatched roof on the building to "reference" a past roofing vernacular?
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Old October 4th, 2017, 11:50 PM   #1029
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I really don't see much wrong with the brickwork bar the soldier course above the windows. Perhaps standard stretcher bond would be better than the Flemish bond which creates more joints. Like I said before, the real problem with CD is that the colour of the window frames.
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Old October 5th, 2017, 01:39 AM   #1030
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I really don't see much wrong with the brickwork bar the soldier course above the windows. Perhaps standard stretcher bond would be better than the Flemish bond which creates more joints. Like I said before, the real problem with CD is that the colour of the window frames.
A better question would be whats right with it? Why must out first real 'skyscraper' in such a prominent location be so absolutely bland and uninspiring looking. It would be hard to think of a more boring design

The novelty of its height, which is only impressive relative to the rest of the docklands is the only thing that makes it any way remarkable

Even that crude photoshop of a stacked georgian building looks better. It at least looks interesting because its a solid brick form, which you generally dont see at great height. But this looks like a tall glass box with grotty brick glued onto it
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Yeah - it's about as attractive a "tribute" to Georgian Dublin as Mount St was.

If you want replicas, build them.

If you want attractive modern facades don't cut and paste 1950s semi-D or Georgian brickwork onto high-rise 21st century buildings - why not put a thatched roof on the building to "reference" a past roofing vernacular?
100% agree. Go big or go home, so much of Dublin development is vaguely latching onto some georgian aesthetic values, but also distancing in other ways, such as plot size. But you need the whole package to hold a candle to original georgian constructions; symmetry,
terrace rows, plot size, graded windows.Which many of the newer builds lack. And with that they then also lack any imaginative modern edge. Leaving us with blocks and blocks of pass remarkable bleh. At this stage Id honestly prefer complete georgian reconstruction pastiches, as they are just so superior to an awful lot of modern Irish architecture. Overall we have barely progressed architecture wise since independence. Thats not to say we havnt built some great things or dont have talented firms creating interesting things, but just on the whole I mean
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Old October 5th, 2017, 02:44 AM   #1032
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Yeah - it's about as attractive a "tribute" to Georgian Dublin as Mount St was.

If you want replicas, build them.

If you want attractive modern facades don't cut and paste 1950s semi-D or Georgian brickwork onto high-rise 21st century buildings - why not put a thatched roof on the building to "reference" a past roofing vernacular?
Like this? I think it would look fantastic!

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Old October 5th, 2017, 03:31 AM   #1033
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I really don't see much wrong with the brickwork bar the soldier course above the windows. Perhaps standard stretcher bond would be better than the Flemish bond which creates more joints. Like I said before, the real problem with CD is that the colour of the window frames.
The problem with the brickwork is the pointing. Its too thick and too bright. It overwhelms the brick itself. Flemish bond makes it even worse.
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Old October 5th, 2017, 08:24 AM   #1034
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Perhaps people should wait until the building is finished. There is a rush to condemn the building already.Its a bit depressing to read.
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Yeah, people losing their shit over the brickwork, which actually makes up a fairly small proportion of the facade and can only be seen in detail if you are right up beside it!
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Yeah, people losing their shit over the brickwork, which actually makes up a fairly small proportion of the facade and can only be seen in detail if you are right up beside it!
A good building should look good from all aspects. The brickwork won't suddenly change when the building is finished.
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