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Old January 19th, 2005, 08:26 AM   #81
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Monorail for surabaya

Mengenai desain monorail, menurut MUKLAS, investor menawarkan beberapa alternatif yakni monorail dibangun di atas rel yang sudah ada (fly over )dan double track atau jalur kereta api baru. Termasuk satu jalur tambahan ke Juanda yang tanahnya sudah dibebaskan.
Wow..that means that Surabaya will also get a railway link to the airport!

I sure hope that this project comes true...
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Old January 19th, 2005, 02:41 PM   #82
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Thats good and not a surprise news for me, since there is surabaya airport vision for 2006. Now, they should start the monorail project because the new airport is almost done!

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Old January 20th, 2005, 07:45 AM   #83
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Surabaya Picture

This picture was taken from Gubenur Suryo street (Central Surabaya) in January 2003.



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Old January 20th, 2005, 01:51 PM   #84
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Nice picture, almost looks like a Japanese city.

Also, OPTX, you live in Malang? Awesome place.
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Old January 20th, 2005, 09:37 PM   #85
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OPTX, Thanks for posting picture. I'd like to see the oustide look of SOGO in Embong Malang. Also Standard Chartered Bldg in Basuki Rahmat. May Jend Sungkono and other part of Surabaya where there are new buildings/development. Please post if you have and thanks.
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Old January 21st, 2005, 07:40 AM   #86
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Teddy, I don't have those pics u requested..

Btw, I have a few pics of Surabaya shopping malls, taken recently. Enjoy

*Inside Tunjungan Plaza 3*



*Inside Supermal Pakuwon*
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Old January 21st, 2005, 09:40 AM   #87
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Pakuwon's mall/plaza is always pack. They try to utilize every space to create revenue. Design is not elegant... Let me summarize it in javanese: nyumpeki!
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 11:01 AM   #88
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SURABAYA - Pembangunan Pasar Tambahrejo menjadi Kapas Krampung Commercial Center (KKCC) terus dikebut. Setelah para pedagang bersedia pindah ke Tempat Penampungan Sementara (TPS) Bronggalan, proses pemancangan pun mulai dilakukan, kemarin. Rencananya, sebanyak 1.700 tiang pancang bakal dipakai dalam proyek ini.

"Kami sudah melakukan land clearing (pembersihan lahan, Red.). Karena itu, kita mulai melakukan pemancangan," ujar Direktur Teknik PD Pasar Ir Rahmad Kurnia kepada Jawa Pos.

Menurut alumnus ITB ini, pihaknya sudah menyiapkan 1.700 tiang pancang yang panjangnya masing-masing sekitar 12 meter. Dia menjelaskan, untuk menahan beban bangunan KKCC, kedalaman pemancangannya mencapai 24 meter. "Karena satu tiang pancang panjangnya 12 meter, berarti satu titik akan ditancapkan dua tiang," katanya.

Proses pemancangan ini diharapkan rampung minggu ketiga bulan ini. "Kami sudah mendatangkan empat mesin pancang untuk mempercepat pekerjaan," tuturnya.

Dia optimistis pembangunan lantai satu dan dua bisa diselesaikan November ini. Dua lantai itu nantinya diperuntukkan khusus pedagang pasar tradisional yang kini menghuni TPS. "Kami tidak akan menelantarkan pedagang asli," tegas Rahmad.

Pembangunan KKCC dipastikan menambah panjang deretan pusat perbelanjaan dan pertokoan modern yang dibangun di tahun ini. Berdasarkan catatan, terdapat sebanyak 17 pusat perbelanjaan modern yang sedang dan akan dibangun secara bersamaan tahun ini. Selain KKCC, ada International Trade Center (ITC) di Jl Gembong, The City Mall (TCM) di Ngagel, Darmo Trade Center (DTC) di Wonokromo, Stasiun Semut, dan lain-lain. Kondisi ini diprediksi bakal membuat mall dan pasar-pasar semi modern milik PD Pasar bersaing ketat. Pada akhirnya, hanya beberapa saja yang bisa survive. PD Pasar juga menyadari hal ini. Karena itu, Dirut PD Pasar Nartiyan Adhana menginginkan adanya regulasi yang mengatur mengenai jumlah mall di Surabaya. Dia tidak ingin pasar-pasar tradisionalnya mati digenjet maraknya mall-mall modern.

Eddi Suwanto, perwakilan KKCC, juga menyadari kondisi ini. "Saya sudah melakukan penghitungan. Memang ada sekitar 17 mall yang dibangun bersamaan tahun ini," katanya.

Menurut bos Ray White Kertajaya ini, diperlukan adanya pengaturan waktu dalam pembangunan mall dan pasar-pasar semi modern. "Kalau tidak, bisa terjadi oversupply," katanya. "Hanya mall yang berada di lokasi strategis yang bisa bertahan," sambung Eddi berpromosi. (oni)
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 07:48 PM   #89
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Surabaya pictures











JW Marriott


Graha pena


Wisma BII


Graha Family


Premier Apartment


Puncak marina (2 towers)










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Old February 2nd, 2005, 09:06 PM   #90
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Thanks for posting OPTX, though many of those I have seen it from the internet. Embong Malang is a contrast, the left side you see new development but the right side is still lots of small, old shops as shown on the last photo.
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Old February 5th, 2005, 07:35 AM   #91
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OPTX, Thanks for posting picture. I'd like to see the oustide look of SOGO in Embong Malang. Also Standard Chartered Bldg in Basuki Rahmat. May Jend Sungkono and other part of Surabaya where there are new buildings/development. Please post if you have and thanks.
Teddy, here's a close-up pic of SOGO. we can't see much, but its better than nothin, right?

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Old February 5th, 2005, 08:21 AM   #92
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oh thanks fireblaze. It looks quite nice, though can't see the right side of it. How many floors is it? I remember I saw the original design before the crisis, they plan a 4 star hotel on top of it. But apparently they might cancel that idea now.

Wonder what is the fate with Toko Nam next to Plaza Tunjungan? That might be difficult for other development since it is positioned inside the PT Superblock. I also notice that there is still empty land on the right side of Sogo. If I remember correctly, next after PT is the Go Skate Building... which by now looks like a rundown building. This superblock can still be developed further, since there are still bldgs and lands around it that can be developed.
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Old February 5th, 2005, 10:04 AM   #93
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Finally, I got the rendering of Standard Chartered bldg for Surabaya after searching the internet. I believe it's about 9 or 10 stories . I hope it is more than just 10 stories. But then I got more, I got the rendering of Citibank bldg. It is not a hi rise bldg., but I guess it is situated along Basuki Rahmat, next to the ex Bank Pacific Bldg. Here is the site: http://www.geocities.com/bambangwido...ommercial2.htm

Citibank Bldg:






Standard Chartered Bldg (I think it is planned on Basuki Rahmat also):


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Old February 5th, 2005, 02:09 PM   #94
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That Citibank building used to be a car/motorcycle showroom a few years back. As for the Standard Chartered one, i don't recall seeing it.

Teddy, Sogo is i think 6-7 storeys high. It is as high as the rest of TP. TP already have Sheraton, right? so i dont think they'll build another hotel there.

The site for the new toko nam (i think they're calling it Nam square or sth) is still empty the last time i saw it. I personally don't foresee it being built, since Toko Nam is kinda closed down since a few years ago. And yeah,i agree with you. Go skate should go to pave away for newer buildings. Next to go skate is the stalled apartment project (crystal sth..)
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Old February 5th, 2005, 07:26 PM   #95
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You are right, fireblaze, on the Citibank Bldg. After I looked at it carefully, I could see that the building was already there around 1997. It is just across the ex Bank Pacific. The final bldg. does not look like the rendering (the first photo - I just left it in thumbnail).

The original plan for Sogo (it was called PT IV before) include a 4 star hotel on top of it. I think the foundation is constructed to include a hotel - but crisis strucked and they just cancelled the hotel. Tunjungan Superblock still has empty land there, so probably we might still have PT V, who knows?

Here is another one, the planned Pasar Tambah Rejo (is it at Kapas Krampung, so it is named Kapas Krampung Commercial Center now?):



Did I hear that the owner of toko Nam bankrupt?

Now, on Jl. Tunjungan, next to Mandarin Hotel, there was another plot of land, and they planned to build Galeria Tunjungan. It might still just empty land there. I saw the description on Keppel Land of Singapore before, but could not find it now, and no rendering. They said they are going to build something like Bugis Junction.

I talked to a family member who used to own Hotel Ramayana, which was torned down, then they tried to build Hotel Holiday Inn on Basuki Rahmat. But the project stalled, and not sure what the site is becoming now?

fireblaze, where are you? I am planning to visit Surabaya this year. I will try to go around, try to bare the hot humid weather and see the development in Surabaya though I doubt it changes so much!?
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Old February 6th, 2005, 08:17 AM   #96
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Well, if the foundation were made to support a hotel, does that mean that they might eventually build it one day? I personally would not have a problem if they do build TP V.

The Holiday Inn site is still left half completed. Are they going to continue building it or selling it to prospective investors?

Btw Teddy, how long have you been away from surabaya? I'm studying in Singapore now. So yeah, i get to go back Surabaya once or twice a year.
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Old February 6th, 2005, 09:10 AM   #97
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I have been away about more than 5 years.

Do not know if they are going to build hotel on top of TP IV. Business prospect has changed since then, don't you think so? Sad to see many projects in the city still stalled since the crisis, including the Holiday Inn. After talking with my friend, I found out that they also own big empty plot of land on Jl. Pemuda, next to Bank BNI Bldg. There are many 'lahan tidur' or empty land left undeveloped in the city.

One of the most aggressive developer now is Pakuwon. Not surprise to see PT V. Well, actually... they are also in good position to gobble/buy more land next to it. They can buy more on Embong Malang up to Go Skate, or buy more kampung2x behind PT, or buy the bldg next to PT I on Basuki Rahmat (last time I heard of protest from people live in kampung next to it, because they tried to close the alley that connects the kampung with Basuki Rahmat).

Did I heard that toko Nam is dead because of PT? I remembered the last time I visited there long time ago, not much visitors. Because people like to visit PT more than just a much smaller department store, don't you think? So, yeah it might also be difficult to sell toko Nam empty land to developer because it is not big, and because of PT around it. IMO, Pakuwon can push them to sell the land to them... they are positioned as such. They can build another PT and integrate with existing one!
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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:43 PM   #98
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Yeah, it's sad to see stalled projects remain unfinished. There were reports saying that crystal mas apartment (the unfinished building next to go skate) is sold to a new investor, but there have been no news since. Long time ago, before the crisis, i heard that Maspion was thinking to buy land from the kampungs across the street from TP to make a shopping mall. I think that's shelved too.

I don't really know the story, but I think Toko Nam also closed down not only due to competition from Tunjungan Plaza. Remember they used to have smaller outlets, like the Nam permai along Mayjend. Sungkono? It closed down too. (Now renamed Vida), so i guess TP wasn't their sole problem.

You know next to TP (and next to where toko nam used to stand) there's this hotel tunjungan. I don't think it's owned by Pakuwon and I'm unsure how it's doing. Maybe pakuwon would consider gobbling up the whole place and build a superblock!

Just a general comment on Surabaya buildings, i think developers need to follow the worldwide trend. What we have so far looks soo 90s.

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Old February 14th, 2005, 03:13 AM   #99
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fireblaze,
That Hotel Tunjungan, is owned by one member of Soeharto. I forgot... but I think Tommy. Mbak Tutut own Jembatan Merah Plaza.

About Toko Nam again. There are several factors contribute to its demise. PT is one, cause people find more inside than just visiting a department store stand alone. That is the start of plaza trend instead of stand alone store or department store. Isn't that the whole bldg that is currently Vida actually built by owner of Toko Nam? At that time, Western Surabaya is still not as developed as now. So, Vida is not successful because, IMO, the location is not convenient - it is too far from the city center. Then also, the trend of plaza starts.

I think one factor that made many envisioned projects not realized in Surabaya is the ransom the investor has to pay to corrupt local government: be the city mayor or governor. That is the case my friend told me with the stalled project of Holiday Inn - the mayor want a big sum of money. I read that many foreign investors cancel their plan to invest because they found out they still have to provide ransom. This is not good, considering that China emerges as big competitor for investment.

Yeah, I do not see any oustanding architecture in Surabaya.

Not surprise to see Maspion shelved the plan. Because if it does, it has to buy lands that are very fractioned (kampung2x) this is another headache. Also, I think I saw a sacred cemetery inside that kampung across PT? Mosque, sacred cemetery, or military cemetary are very difficult to be moved out.
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Old February 15th, 2005, 08:43 AM   #100
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A lot of Surabaya pics here... construction, events, and such.

http://www.suarasurabaya.net/v05/potretkelanakota/
http://www.suarasurabaya.net/v05/pot...anakota/arsip/

Anyone willing to post the pics here?
I am bit busy lately.
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