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Old October 25th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #4141
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Major League baseball may be returning to Montreal.

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Report: Rays owner Stuart Sternberg has discussed moving the team to Montreal
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Old October 26th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #4142
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What a weird coincidence. I bought an Expos t-shirt in Montreal yesterday. Build a baseball specific stadium in downtown Montreal and MLB will thrive there. Montreal has the market size, corporate base, cultural interest, and a very rich baseball history going back to the Montreal Royals (founded in 1897).
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Old October 26th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #4143
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I'm not convinced they'd be a draw at the gate. However, with baseball becoming more about local television contracts as opposed to attendance that may not matter as much anymore. I would imagine a French language bidding war between RDS and new sports network TVA for 162 nights of content during the Habs offseason would be fierce enough to draw some value. Being in the same division as the Blue Jays and Red Sox would help as well.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #4144
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I'm not convinced they'd be a draw at the gate. However, with baseball becoming more about local television contracts as opposed to attendance that may not matter as much anymore. I would imagine a French language bidding war between RDS and new sports network TVA for 162 nights of content during the Habs offseason would be fierce enough to draw some value. Being in the same division as the Blue Jays and Red Sox would help as well.
are there any french speaking countries that play baseball that they could sell the rebroadcast too?

I'm assuming a place like Geneva, Switzerland which is french speaking and into hockey would get Habs games before other games?
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Sounds like a classic scare tactic to me. Surely the intention is to acquire public funding for a new stadium within Tampa.
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Sounds like a classic scare tactic to me. Surely the intention is to acquire public funding for a new stadium within Tampa.
Very real possibility, but the ballpark pendulum has seemingly been swinging towards Montreal and away from the Tampa area.

Expos could thrive in a proper ballpark, and detached from the stench of Jeffery Loria.

Really hate to see any team relocated, but the Rays may be Montreal's only real shot, as Wolff has no interest in leaving NorCal/Bay Area. If the Rays are serious about Montreal, I wonder how hard, and how much public monies, Montreal would put towards bringing the Expos back?
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Very real possibility, but the ballpark pendulum has seemingly been swinging towards Montreal and away from the Tampa area.
Yeah, regardless of whether they move to Montreal, I think the Rays are just about done with Tampa Bay. 6 straight winning seasons and 4 playoff appearances resulted in a negligible boost in attendance and support for a new park, and now Maddon's gone. Shit's just not gettin' done.

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Expos could thrive in a proper ballpark, and detached from the stench of Jeffery Loria.
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Really hate to see any team relocated, but the Rays may be Montreal's only real shot, as Wolff has no interest in leaving NorCal/Bay Area. If the Rays are serious about Montreal, I wonder how hard, and how much public monies, Montreal would put towards bringing the Expos back?
Depends on how much would need to be committed. If something like Labatt Park could be built today for C$350-400M, it could happen.

Alternatively, they could look at building an expanded version of TD Ameritrade Park in Omaha, which cost only C$150M.



Even adding in the material costs of an upper deck and more premium seating (vertical circulation, utilities, furnishings, etc.), I can see it coming in under C$300M.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 12:59 AM   #4148
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Alternatively, they could look at building an expanded version of TD Ameritrade Park in Omaha, which cost only C$150M.

Even adding in the material costs of an upper deck and more premium seating (vertical circulation, utilities, furnishings, etc.), I can see it coming in under C$300M.
they would need a ton more suites than TD for an MLB park and that would add a lot to the cost.

PNC (Pittsburgh) is one of the most bare bones of the newer MLB stadiums and it cost: $216 million, openen in 2001. ($288 million in 2014 dollars.) Any MLB team should be able to afford a stadium at that price even without taxpayer help but I'm sure they will try to get the taxpayers to chip in and build a stadium at twice that cost.
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are there any french speaking countries that play baseball that they could sell the rebroadcast too?

I'm assuming a place like Geneva, Switzerland which is french speaking and into hockey would get Habs games before other games?
Baseball has practically no presence in regions with large francophone populations such as Europe or Africa. Haiti might have some interest, but it's desperately poor. What I do know is that an Expos team would instantly gain a large television viewership in the Martimes provinces. It's not a large market, but is home to 1.8 million people so it would increase their 'home' market by about 23%.

I grew up in Nova Scotia and loyalties were split between the Red Sox and Expos. Jays fans made up the 3rd largest group. I imagine New Brunswick would be heavily Expos territory.
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Depends on how much would need to be committed. If something like Labatt Park could be built today for C$350-400M, it could happen.

Alternatively, they could look at building an expanded version of TD Ameritrade Park in Omaha, which cost only C$150M.
I'm assuming Labatt Park was the proposal put forth around 1998 when the Expos were still in Montreal? It was decent but prefer the site depicted in this rendering below. It's the ideal spot imo:


Projet Montréal's Vision for the Bonaventure Site

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I'm assuming Labatt Park was the proposal put forth around 1998 when the Expos were still in Montreal? It was decent but prefer the site depicted in this rendering below. It's the ideal spot imo:

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I don't see why you can't just build a stadium that's only 25,000. The way I see it the majority of MLB stadiums are far too big and usually half empty. Half the league averaged between 17k to 29k this year (and that's if you believe official attendance numbers) yet almost all the parks seat over 40k.

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I don't see why you can't just build a stadium that's only 25,000. The way I see it the majority of MLB stadiums are far too big and usually half empty. Half the league averaged between 17k to 29k this year (and that's if you believe official attendance numbers) yet almost all the parks seat over 40k.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
Those teams with low averages may have 14k on a Tuesday then get 35k on Friday night, you build the stadium for the Friday/Saturday crowds.
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I'm assuming Labatt Park was the proposal put forth around 1998 when the Expos were still in Montreal? It was decent but prefer the site depicted in this rendering below. It's the ideal spot imo:


Projet Montréal's Vision for the Bonaventure Site

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Site du Stade du Bassin Peel by etiennecoutu, on Flickr

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Quartier Bonaventure: faire renaître Goose Village by etiennecoutu, on Flickr
Obviously just a example of a stadium in downtown, and far from a polished product, but flip that baby around so you can see downtown
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