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Old January 5th, 2009, 04:46 AM   #1001
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Actually MBA, it comes down to the poor urban planning skills that Tampa has. They kinda just plop things wherever developers want to put things with out think about the ramifications. For instance: We have tons of blank lots in Tampa. They demolished Maas Brother's Building for a condo building that never went up. Had the Urban Planer of Tampa been good at her job, she would have told the developer to put it in a blank lot because we already have enough of those.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #1002
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Its a private property rights issue. The last time the city tried to get tough with a developer was the proposed tower on Bayshore one block north of Howard. The city lost their ass in court. If the developers of Twelve can't afford to go forward, too bad for the city but thats it.

Novare is known for a very similar design scheme, there are at least ten very similar buildings up here in Atlanta as well. Viewpoint and Spire are right across the street from one another and one of their first towers, built in 2001, is three blocks up the street. Buckhead has a couple, Atlantic station has one, very obvious "Novare Tower", and one Novare-Lite across the street. It happens in every city and isn't a terribly valid criticism. Just check the Urban Photo gallery section, it happens from Shanghai to Dubai, to Sao Paulo.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 07:02 PM   #1003
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General question to anyone:

Would you rather have Element and Skypoint as twin towers or as they are, being very similar but not twin? Becasue twin tower projects are pretty common in residential projects around the world and people rarely complain about them, at least until you starting getting dozens of similar towers.

Like I said earlier, I think TWELVE would make the other two towers look better. It would break the table-top while giving a centerpiece to that cluster.
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Old January 5th, 2009, 10:15 PM   #1004
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Ill give you another example of the power of persuasion in politics with development: Trump Tower, before they get their initial entitlements and approvals, the developer has to submit a traffic study.There is no way they could have gotten their traffic approvals on Ashley st. for a 52 story building. Since its a only a 2 lane street. But Since it is "Trump", they allowed things like that slip through the cracks. I know its not the most important issue, but it definitely gives a little insight as to how and these things happen.
The number of floors is irrelevant. It was a proposed 221 unit (and then later 190) residential tower and corresponding parking structure. That has a certain traffic calculation... It also had a proposed restaurant of so many seats (think it was 75?). That has a certain traffic calculation.

The traffic of such a plan was less than what the traffic would have been for even a 10 story, 100,000sq ft office building.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 04:04 AM   #1005
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Just saw this in one of the photo forums: Hong Kong lots of similarity in these buildings:

So I don't think Element and Skypoint being similar is much of a problem, especially when you consider that they will start blocking the view of the Park Tower and anything that does that is a good thing.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 05:07 AM   #1006
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1-Bedroom residences from $1,300 / month

1-Bedroom plus den residences from $1,500 / month

2-Bedroom residences from $2,100 / month
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Old January 9th, 2009, 05:47 AM   #1007
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^Wow, those prices are crazy imo... Remember, these are the starting prices, for the low floors with no view. Who the hell do they think can afford those prices these days anyways?

When their prices comes down about 20%, they'll have some hope of filling the place.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 05:58 AM   #1008
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Agreed. Those prices are outrageous. Especially in this economy...
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Old January 9th, 2009, 07:28 AM   #1009
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^Wow, those prices are crazy imo... Remember, these are the starting prices, for the low floors with no view. Who the hell do they think can afford those prices these days anyways?

When their prices comes down about 20%, they'll have some hope of filling the place.

Thank god that Skypoint will always have the better view than Element. I hope because of tht the rents do not decrease in skypoint.....
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Old January 9th, 2009, 10:25 PM   #1010
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^Wow, those prices are crazy imo... Remember, these are the starting prices, for the low floors with no view. Who the hell do they think can afford those prices these days anyways?

When their prices comes down about 20%, they'll have some hope of filling the place.
My friend just saw a 1600+ home for rent in an affluent neighborhood in another market -- for less than he was paying for renting a condo in Feather Sound here.

But the above prices ARE nuts.
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Old January 9th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #1011
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1-Bedroom residences from $1,300 / month

1-Bedroom plus den residences from $1,500 / month

2-Bedroom residences from $2,100 / month
These numbers should be cut in 1/2. What a joke! Hey don't forget to add the other fees just to live there.

And to think... you get the privledge of paying waaaay too much, all-the-while you can hear all of your neighbors business through those thin walls! What a bargin, I tell ya...
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Old January 10th, 2009, 12:06 AM   #1012
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To be fair those prices surely include what would have been the HOA. So that probably covers water, internet, cable, etc.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 05:31 AM   #1013
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I was going to say, while it's high, that's likely an all inclusive, all-access price, sans electric. Cable/internet might be included too.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #1014
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Friday, January 9, 2009
Coming soon to Element: downtown dwellers
Tampa Bay Business Journal - by Janet Leiser Staff Writer

TAMPA — In mid-January, the first of an estimated 500 people will begin moving their belongings into Element, downtown’s newest and only luxury rental tower.

While the mini population boom isn’t expected to be the tipping point in creating demand for retail, restaurants and services in the Central Business District, it’s a move in the right direction.

“Every little bit counts,” said David Conn, EVP of the retail services division at CB Richard Ellis.

“The best thing we can do for all of downtown is to populate it,” said Greg Minder, partner in Novare-Intown Tampa Development Co., which is developing Element, 808 N. Franklin St.

Fly Restaurant and Bar on North Franklin opened in July 2006, five months before construction started on the 35-story Element, two blocks to the south.

“The outlook on downtown was a lot happier then,” David Bromberg, Fly’s GM, said of the opening. “Tampa was going to be the next big city.”

Downtown won’t soon be transformed into Miami or St. Petersburg: The housing slump and overbuilt condominium market put the brakes on fast residential growth.

But there is growth.

About 90 percent of the 380 units at SkyPoint, cattycorner to Element, and also developed by Novare-Intown, have been sold, Minder said.
Changing views

Tampa criminal defense lawyer John Fitzgibbons has worked from his seventh-floor office in the Tampa Theatre building for about two decades. For most of that time, there wasn’t much to be seen on the street below, except when moviegoers came or went.

“It’s the start of a desert from our block north,” said Fitzgibbons, a co-owner of the theater/office building.

This year, for the first time, the attorney saw a Franklin Street sight that gave him pause: People walking dogs.

“It’s slow, but there are increasing signs of life,” said Fitzgibbons, best known for his defense of Debra LaFave, the former school teacher who made national headlines for her affair with a young male student.

His office, catty-corner to Element, has provided a close view of the new development. Besides construction, most activity he has seen comes from SkyPoint, 777 N. Ashley Drive, and the Fly, several blocks to the north.

Ghost towns might be tourist attractions out West, but they seem to deter pedestrian traffic in downtown Tampa.

“People don’t want to walk in the dark,” said Bromberg, a Boston native. “They want to see other people, other businesses.”

When Element and SkyPoint are fully occupied, the population of downtown, north of Kennedy Boulevard, will be at about 1,500, Minder said.

“It will help,” Conn said. “You need people, you need to see vibrancy. No. 1 so you feel safe.”
A parallel universe

That said, downtown isn’t likely to see much growth until the economy recovers, Conn said. Many retailers are focused on “trying to survive this recession.”

Yet most of the 10,000-square-foot commercial space in SkyPoint is now leased. Tenants include Taps Wine & Beer Merchants, Five Guys Burgers and Fries, Azteca Mexican Kitchen and Rawbar Sushi.

http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2009/01/12/focus5.html?b=1231736400^1758221
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Old January 10th, 2009, 04:39 PM   #1015
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Downtown won’t soon be transformed into Miami or St. Petersburg:
I'm not one on these forums to go for comparing Tampa to other cities and how we're behind, but even I found it a bit sad that we were compared to St. Pete unfavorably.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #1016
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^Didn't bother me, because it's true... Just be thankful the writer didn't bust out Ft Lauderdale, Orlando and Sarasota for dramatic effect... lol
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Old January 11th, 2009, 07:09 AM   #1017
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^Didn't bother me, because it's true... Just be thankful the writer didn't bust out Ft Lauderdale, Orlando and Sarasota for dramatic effect... lol
sad but true and there's no excuse. at least it's better than 10-12 years ago.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:01 AM   #1018
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Downtown Tampa looking up
By Ernest Hooper, Metro Columnist
In Print: Friday, January 16, 2009

Element, the downtown Tampa condo partner of SkyPoint, welcomed its first resident Thursday, and I'm told the chances of adding a restaurant to its first-floor retail space look good. Meanwhile, the new Five Guys Burgers at SkyPoint plans to open Jan. 23.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle968081.ece
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Old January 25th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #1019
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Yesterday they put up a "Now Open" sign on the building.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 01:29 PM   #1020
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As of February 27th, the Element cam is no longer taking new pictures.
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