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Old May 14th, 2009, 06:01 PM   #1981
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The whole Lifeline Hospital junction looks so much brighter and more cheerful after this store was opened..
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Old May 14th, 2009, 07:37 PM   #1982
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good to see cable duct works and even service road works resumed between srp tools and shols also....

Thanks Arul for those pictures. I still see electrical/phone overhead lines, hopefully these will be removed and go underground. The paved duct area could see more hawker stalls usurping the space. I hope the authorities crack down on such activities. There ought to be good footpath for pedestrians, i see them currently sauntering along the highway roads. Talking about the highways, the usable lane is down to 1 and the rest as usual are usurped by construction and parked vehicles. This is a common trait on most roads causing endless traffic jams. The traffic police should be doing their jobs and hauling away parked vehicles. Construction sites should keep their activities behind barriers.

Regarding the shops, yes, I think there should be stricter enforcement on abutting into the main street. Setback rules are required. Mini malls should be the norm for small shops. They should not face the main street. Besides aesthetics they cause traffic jams with people activity overflowing onto the streets. Best is to tuck them away into mini malls. Commercial operation licenses should be strictly enforced and those who do not comply should be shut down immediately. In Bluru, I heard that the small shops are forced by land mafia into giving up their premises and mini-malls sprout up in their area.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 06:16 PM   #1983
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Hope D.Maran gets I.T portfolio......

All the I.T industries in India need him...
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Old May 17th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #1984
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Not world class road

All the small petti shops and ugly looking buildings should be demolised to make this road look good.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #1985
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what the hell

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All the small petti shops and ugly looking buildings should be demolised to make this road look good.
hey chennaidesi, do u know what u r talking..
u want only the rich to survive?? did the petty shops encroach in govt land or did they encroach in any private IT builder's land?
Remember, growth has to be inclusive. evn now, these petty shops r frequented by so many IT professionals for their tea or bun or cigars..
above all, its their land and they r payin/have paid for it and u jus cant tel that they shld be demolished... they also have a family and their family also needs support.. Chennaidesi, dnt use such harsh words in a public forum.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 12:52 PM   #1986
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I guess he meant to demolish and build a uniform small modern shops for them?!?
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Old May 17th, 2009, 03:22 PM   #1987
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Sorry I didnt mean that way

I meant we need to forcefully make it look little different and more modern. I care a lot for poor people. If we dont do that then for years that will remain and how can we say we have a world class road. The shop keepers dont understand the need to modernize so it has to be done in partner ship basis with govt educating them the need to do and they also doing that without vacating the place.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 04:04 PM   #1988
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I meant we need to forcefully make it look little different and more modern. I care a lot for poor people. If we dont do that then for years that will remain and how can we say we have a world class road. The shop keepers dont understand the need to modernize so it has to be done in partner ship basis with govt educating them the need to do and they also doing that without vacating the place.
Thats fine then...
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Old May 17th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #1989
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this is so simple and it is strange that very few think clearly. from above arguments it seems like government would need to intervene to build these modern shops? if building modern small shops provides better returns, owners would do it themselves.

please leave it to market. i have said this many times before and it seems i would repeat it forever. socialism it seems is more intuitive than capitalism.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:19 PM   #1990
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potti kadai's or other large encroachments don't belong in modern roads. All these arguments about survival are bogus. When other cities can keep them out, why should chennai tolerate shops and slums all over the place. Chennaidesi, no need for you to be apologetic
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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #1991
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Delhi and Bangalore

I heard in Delhi and Bangalore govt forcefully evacutes people from important road, My question is why only Chennai people should be deprieved of something good to cherish and let other cities get much better than chennai.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 06:12 AM   #1992
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I heard in Delhi and Bangalore govt forcefully evacutes people from important road, My question is why only Chennai people should be deprieved of something good to cherish and let other cities get much better than chennai.
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potti kadai's or other large encroachments don't belong in modern roads. All these arguments about survival are bogus. When other cities can keep them out, why should chennai tolerate shops and slums all over the place. Chennaidesi, no need for you to be apologetic
Selling smuggled goods and duplicate goods like modern t-shits, watches and many westerners items in the road side shops(it is nothing but modern poti kadai.........) is OK.......... u can see such shops all the way in M.G road and few in Brigade roads too........

But selling some day to day needs like snacks, foods, mobile re-charge etc., looks like slums?

I do agree that there is a need for regulation from government side for these small shops and grouping the near by 5-6 shops to form a mini-complex would make the road neat.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:43 AM   #1993
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TNRDC had given proposals to have shopping complexes all along the road in each village - ie Perungudi, Thoraipakkam, Karappakkam....etc so that the existing shops can shift to these new complexes - Free. But there was tremendous resistance from the shop keepers and the Govt also did not pursue vigorously for their own benficial reasons.

If the Govt takes steps to make this happen, the eye sores can be made organised shops.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #1994
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Without a bias for rich or poor, shall we see the core issue?.
All along OMR, there are both big retail shops (likes of ezone, Hi-style in Perungudi typically owned by the rich) and small petty shops (typically owned by poor. If you can call them poor, that is!).

Leave alone aesthetics, but who is causing more damage to OMR is the question. Most of the big retailers have parking space on OMR. Be it the likes of big restaurants, Hotels like Fortunes, Asiana or Ponnusamy or Ezone, Histyle etc they have parking space- though may not be 100% sufficient.

But is there even one petty shop that has a small set back even for parking their own cycles? If they don't have one, where do they and their customers park their vehicles then? Right on the road or the pedestrian/walking lane! Typical examples are the two hotels in Kandanchavadi, where the hotel staff and their customers take one (sometimes two) complete lane of the main carriageway causing bottleneck. Forget parking space- Most of the grocery stores keep their inventory right on the road. If a resolution is not identified and strictly enforced, then there is 100% chance that the pedestrian/non-motored lanes will be fully encroached by the roadside petty shops.

When somebody makes a mistake, setting it right is more important than seeing whether they're rich or poor.

I also understand that sometimes even organized retail does the mistake of not providing parking space. For example there is a grocery store Heritage Fresh @ Perungudi, just off OMR. They simply don't have parking space for even one bike! People just park their cars on OMR and visit these stores. So, whoever it is, parking/encroaching the road should be strictly watched over and the right message should be sent to those encroachers.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 05:24 PM   #1995
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well said sovi

The whole point if we are making that road as a "show case item" for future marketing we need to keep it clean and good looking and deal with illegal activites without any bais.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:01 PM   #1996
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stop ur bashings

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potti kadai's or other large encroachments don't belong in modern roads. All these arguments about survival are bogus. When other cities can keep them out, why should chennai tolerate shops and slums all over the place. Chennaidesi, no need for you to be apologetic
Encroachments????? do u know the meaning of that word venkatm??????
stop ur bashing on small shops venaktm!!
no1 is dragging the issue of slums here, i jus said that as long as they dont encroach on govt or any private builder's land land its fine. Dont say survival talks r bogus.. india is a democracy.. u jus cant go and demolish anything jus like tat.. every1 is strugglin hard to earn..
well, as kannan infratech said , if the govt is ready to give them land and if they r also happy with it, then its perfect..

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But is there even one petty shop that has a small set back even for parking their own cycles? If they don't have one, where do they and their customers park their vehicles then? Right on the road or the pedestrian/walking lane! Typical examples are the two hotels in Kandanchavadi, where the hotel staff and their customers take one (sometimes two) complete lane of the main carriageway causing bottleneck.
yes , if thr r some parking and traffic problems, then yes they need to be certainly addressed..

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I heard in Delhi and Bangalore govt forcefully evacutes people from important road, My question is why only Chennai people should be deprieved of something good to cherish and let other cities get much better than chennai.
Chennaidesi, hav u seen blore roads? u mean to say in the important roads of blore thr r no petty shops.. then i should pity u.. go and c hosur rd which s a gateway to Electronic city and tel me if thr r no petty shops.. comeon guys, if u have petty shops , it doesnt mean tat u r lagging behind in growth..
u cant demolish the shops jus becuase u wanna go "HI-FI"... growth is inclusive and only the govt shld/can help them...
leave it to the shopowners unless they encroach..
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Old May 18th, 2009, 11:23 PM   #1997
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hmm many of us don't know the real facts but just a sample to make clear,do u know that a4 mrts implemented from mylapore to velacherry ,all people along cooum were given houses but none of them went but instead they all rented it and still creating nuisance over here.Another strange thing is one women staying there is having 5 cars and 5 bunglows just doing sand,stone business which she will use road side .regarding t shops ,they are richer than us but they still prefer to disturb the road as they can very well restrict themselves to their land.Regarding potti kadai,all r not poor but just controlled by some rich and the money goes to them.we have to ensure that only poor should be let off and not behind the scene criminals
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Without a bias for rich or poor, shall we see the core issue?.
All along OMR, there are both big retail shops (likes of ezone, Hi-style in Perungudi typically owned by the rich) and small petty shops (typically owned by poor. If you can call them poor, that is!).

Leave alone aesthetics, but who is causing more damage to OMR is the question. Most of the big retailers have parking space on OMR. Be it the likes of big restaurants, Hotels like Fortunes, Asiana or Ponnusamy or Ezone, Histyle etc they have parking space- though may not be 100% sufficient.

But is there even one petty shop that has a small set back even for parking their own cycles? If they don't have one, where do they and their customers park their vehicles then? Right on the road or the pedestrian/walking lane! Typical examples are the two hotels in Kandanchavadi, where the hotel staff and their customers take one (sometimes two) complete lane of the main carriageway causing bottleneck. Forget parking space- Most of the grocery stores keep their inventory right on the road. If a resolution is not identified and strictly enforced, then there is 100% chance that the pedestrian/non-motored lanes will be fully encroached by the roadside petty shops.

When somebody makes a mistake, setting it right is more important than seeing whether they're rich or poor.

I also understand that sometimes even organized retail does the mistake of not providing parking space. For example there is a grocery store Heritage Fresh @ Perungudi, just off OMR. They simply don't have parking space for even one bike! People just park their cars on OMR and visit these stores. So, whoever it is, parking/encroaching the road should be strictly watched over and the right message should be sent to those encroachers.
Well, the points are fair and real but I don't think their attribution is to the right source ..

IMHO, the lack of parking space at the potti-kadai (I mean a small legitmate building) is not really the potti-kada-owner's bother .. For him, his business has to go on. He is not going to shoo-away the customers who tress-park. Its a larger question of reckless town planning of the government .. The government should have acquired that land, as a part of the eminent domain clause acquistion. If not, these kinds of violations cannot be helped. Not to mention the incomplete service-lanes, the planners never applied any foresight to major areas such as

1) alternate lanes for u-turns, right/left turns
2) pedestrain walkway
3) public health, garbage, drainage
4) dumping grounds
5) water supply

They get a grade F on all those counts.

Building an IT corridor that cuts through the already habitated human jungle need some intricate problem solving. And, they thought .. just running a smooth tarred road will make it classy? Indeed it is, its a classical case of backward-engineering gone awry and dead on arrival. I am not sure what they lacked, political will or basic cohesive thinking or planning .. Its like building a structure from top-down only to find out foundation does'nt fit the budget.

As they say, once you drive the bus into a ditch .. there is only one turn available. Get Out Of the Ditch.
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Mynation said >>>>Chennaidesi, hav u seen blore roads? u mean to say in the important roads of blore thr r no petty shops.. then i should pity u.. go and c hosur rd which s a gateway to Electronic city and tel me if thr r no petty shops<<<<

Wait for 3 more months and see Hosur Road in B'lore. It will have 14 lanes in total(ground + elevated). I travel on this road very often and most petty shops have been demolished all the way until TN border to make a really nice and wide road!!!
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what about the petty shops in MG road and Brigade road?

But i agree that those looks to be organised one.
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