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Old July 21st, 2015, 06:14 AM   #1061
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Good point.

I'd rather have 3000 doctors who are going to buy something nice for their wives (ok, and husbands) while at the big convention that to have 25,000 used car salesman happy to have HBO in their fancy hotel room.
Though we doctors sure do like an awesome looking nice hotel. Seattle DC's point would still stand as a good one: this hotel is not going to make any impression at all to the high end market that our city should be going after.

Fancy design is expensive, but I bet with our hotel rates it'd be affordable - and worth it. Whenever I go to a doctor convention even in big places like San Francisco, the hotel rates shoot way up. A banner hotel would solidify Seattle's case as a destination city for the premium meetings.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 06:14 AM   #1062
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I just wonder why the developer community in some cities seem to take more pride in their product than developers in other cities, like Seattle? There are plenty of hoteliers who recognize the positive impact to the bottom line of iconic architecture (or not even iconic - just buildings showing there was some thought put into them, that are pleasing to look at.) Hedreen and other Seattle developers seem to not really care. I find that interesting, and unfortunate for the people living here.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 12:34 PM   #1063
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I don't think this is going to be as awful as everyone else here seems to think. It's not daring architecture or anything but I think it's going to look just fine when all is said and done.

I guess we'll see.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 06:25 PM   #1064
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I just wonder why the developer community in some cities seem to take more pride in their product than developers in other cities, like Seattle? There are plenty of hoteliers who recognize the positive impact to the bottom line of iconic architecture (or not even iconic - just buildings showing there was some thought put into them, that are pleasing to look at.) Hedreen and other Seattle developers seem to not really care. I find that interesting, and unfortunate for the people living here.
I think when demand is so high, it's easier to cut corners. Hotel occupancy rates are at an all time high in Seattle right now so we end up with even the high end brands looking like prisons (i.e., the Four Seasons).
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Old July 21st, 2015, 11:17 PM   #1065
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I think when demand is so high, it's easier to cut corners. Hotel occupancy rates are at an all time high in Seattle right now so we end up with even the high end brands looking like prisons (i.e., the Four Seasons).
I would have anticipated the opposite effect, that when hotels are expected to be flush with cash, they'd make the investment in more eye catching structure and design. This helps their product stand out, and could also help secure their place in the market in less favorable business weather. Second rate cities with low hotel rates tend to be dominated by underwhelming, plain looking hotels as well. We don't want to look like that.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 11:32 PM   #1066
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Hotels know they will book out here. Why waste the extra cash on a flashy design when returns will be very strong already? Will take less time for a cheap design to turn profit. Maybe it will eventually reach a tipping point where a fancy design will be necessary to get attention but right now everybody gets customers.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 01:20 AM   #1067
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I like forums! This is great! Good feedback!
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 05:42 AM   #1068
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It reminds me of a larger version of the Davenport Grand in Spokane. Uninspired exterior but amenities and interior comfort/finishes and meeting spaces will help it out. It's a great location at any rate.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 04:39 PM   #1069
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If the "really big one" hits, I think I'd want to be in this building. Thing looks built like a brick shit-house.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 06:12 PM   #1070
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If the "really big one" hits, I think I'd want to be in this building. Thing looks built like a brick shit-house.
Ironically, the last place you'd want to be is a brick shit-house. They say in the big one, all unreinforced masonry is going down.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 06:35 PM   #1071
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Hotels know they will book out here. Why waste the extra cash on a flashy design when returns will be very strong already? Will take less time for a cheap design to turn profit. Maybe it will eventually reach a tipping point where a fancy design will be necessary to get attention but right now everybody gets customers.
Hospitality is a very cyclical business. Short-term thinkers don't want to "waste the extra cash", while long-term thinkers want to "position their holdings for competitive advantage in any economic climate." Hedreen will be looking for a sucker to draw in and manage this unattractive building, and they'll do well in the short term. If Hedreen is lucky, they'll dump it on the market and find another sucker to buy it before the next recession.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:45 PM   #1072
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I've lost track on this one - is design review over? I always feel that the alternative designs are intentionally ugly (or no intent has gone into making them not-ugly) in order to make the preferred option attractive to reviewers. Considering this was not at all the preferred option, perhaps the architect will go back and improve the design? Or is that phase over?
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 07:53 PM   #1073
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You really need to flip through this thread. You are WAY behind.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:08 PM   #1074
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I'd estimate this thread has around 1% signal:noise.

A month ago I posted the demo permit they have, but they were still waiting for their MUP. So my question's more on process than anything specific to this project: at what point can they no longer make major changes without having to go back through the design review process?
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 09:00 PM   #1075
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The design is done. Has been for a long time. This was their preferred design I. The event they didn't get an alley vaction. They abandoned the alley vacation effort a long time ago.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 09:37 PM   #1076
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I'd estimate this thread has around 1% signal:noise.

A month ago I posted the demo permit they have, but they were still waiting for their MUP. So my question's more on process than anything specific to this project: at what point can they no longer make major changes without having to go back through the design review process?
They're still waiting for their MUP but they have conditional approval and they're at "decision published" stage. I don't know whether that can still be appealed, or what part of that they're past already.

The MUP and DR submissions happen pretty early in design. The major points would be figured out by now with an emphasis on what's visible from outside (for DR) and long-lead items. But the detail level has to be a work in progress.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 08:14 PM   #1077
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Sellen fencing around the whole site's surface parking (not just the old bus station) and the unused parking lot portion. Lots of orange markings on pavement. Maybe some very early preparations!
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Old July 25th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #1078
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Confirming TravelerSea's observations 7/25/15





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Well would you look at that.... next door to me they seem to be stacking a bunch of white bags on the closed down parking lot. Demo preparation?

Hedreen parking lot by Alex Lee, on Flickr
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