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July 1, 2011 Population Estimates

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#1 ·
I'm sure others will want to post what they want, but, I'm really just going to post Louisiana Metro areas:

Metropolitan Population, July 1, 2011:

New Orleans: 1,191,089
Baton Rouge: 808,242
Sheveport: 403,595
Lafayette: 277,307
Houma: 208,583
Lake Charles: 200,822
Monroe: 177,651
Alexandria: 154,505
 
#75 ·
By the simplest definition of 'tourist', of course Atlanta is jammed with tourists. If people want to split hairs then perhaps Atlanta isn't the resort destination of choice for many travellers but then neither is Chicago, Houston, Seattle, or Toronto. Even Los Angeles fails in many regards when it comes to destination tourism. So what? Are people supposed to build a replica of San Francisco in downtown Atlanta, complete with Golden Gate Bridge?

Conde Nast Travel magazine frequently cites Santa Fe New Mexico as among the top three "destination cities for travellers worldwide" and I can tell you from years of experience there that much of the place is a f*cking dump, in spite of the beautiful surroundings.
 
#84 ·
I've vacationed in Atlanta....basically just hung out. Did Coca Cola, used MARTA, CNN, been to the gay bars, Olympic Park, all kinds of stuff. I've done it many times. I think I've climbed Stone Mountain at least 7 or 8 times, camped and rafted by Amicalola Falls. I think Atlanta is pretty fun. In all honesty, I don't think it is a vacation destination like New Orleans, but, I go there all of the time. Nothing to write home about, but, it's fun in Atlanta. I know that city very, very well.
 
#85 ·
I keep hoping that perhaps I'll check this thread and it will actually be about new population estimates that are coming out. Alas...

Can you all just start an "Is atlanta a vacation city?" thread please?
 
#92 ·
Screw the population estimates. Mindless hair splitting is what this section needed. This dumb topic has seen more action this week than all of the others in the South combined.
How the hell did this thread turn into a discussion on Atlanta as a tourism destination? I thought the point was to discuss population trends for Southeastern metros.

Maybe a new thread should be started for the Atlanta tourism discussion. :eek:hno:
Thank you! I thought I was the only one who cared.
 
#89 ·
Yeah, we Americans don't know how to vacation. I'm anxious to come home after a few days anywhere.

Screw the population estimates. Mindless hair splitting is what this section needed. This dumb topic has seen more action this week than all of the others in the South combined.
 
#90 ·
Would people be comfortable describing Atlanta as a regional tourist destination? Or how about splitting "tourist destination" from "vacation destination"? Atlanta obviously receives a large volume of convention-oriented and regional weekend visitors. But at the same time, I agree with people who are hesitant to label Atlanta a tourist spot because relatively few people decide to take a week of vacation time from work and spend it in Atlanta in the same way they would Miami, San Francisco, Orlando or New York. Atlanta just doesn't seem to be that type of tourist destination. I'd imagine it sees comparatively few inbound tourists from overseas markets. Speaking as someone with direct access to government outbound travel data for some major APAC markets, I can say with certainty that Atlanta doesn't reach the Top 30 US destinations for Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Filipino, Hong Kongese, Singaporean, Indonesian, Thai, Malay, Vietnamese, Australian or New Zealander travelers. Wrong coast, I know I know, but I don't have the same type of reports for European markets.
 
#93 ·
Would people be comfortable describing Atlanta as a regional tourist destination? Or how about splitting "tourist destination" from "vacation destination"? Atlanta obviously receives a large volume of convention-oriented and regional weekend visitors. But at the same time, I agree with people who are hesitant to label Atlanta a tourist spot because relatively few people decide to take a week of vacation time from work and spend it in Atlanta in the same way they would Miami, San Francisco, Orlando or New York. Atlanta just doesn't seem to be that type of tourist destination. I'd imagine it sees comparatively few inbound tourists from overseas markets. Speaking as someone with direct access to government outbound travel data for some major APAC markets, I can say with certainty that Atlanta doesn't reach the Top 30 US destinations for Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Filipino, Hong Kongese, Singaporean, Indonesian, Thai, Malay, Vietnamese, Australian or New Zealander travelers. Wrong coast, I know I know, but I don't have the same type of reports for European markets.
That's pretty much what I've done. Tourism encompasses much more than just vacation spots.
 
#99 ·
Lot of ignorance. I think the idea of tourism is often overevaluated by those with the means to travel great distances or the unattached that don't have families in tow. A place like Dallas has 4 and 5 star hotels, some of the top restaurants in the country, nationally and world ranked art museums, the largest State Fair in the United States, large city fine arts with some of the best venues in the country. Professional sports(this is far more rare than people think of it and I would put Dallas-Fort Worth's venue at or above any in professional sports), Nationally ranked zoos and acquariums, and one of the larger amusement parks in the world. Actual permanent rodeos. Not to mention the area is covered with recreational lakes. The truth is, if one wanted to visit Dallas, there would be plenty of things to do whether you know it or not. But you have to think of tourism a little differently. For many people, especially when you have kids, getting away to the nearest big city IS a vacation and a substantial one. Places like Dallas or Houston have a huge regional draw because you just can't find some of the amenities in such completion.
 
#107 ·
Getting back to the population totals....

I know things can change dramatically and that these estimates are still just estimates, but it's fun to project forward. Below are totals that would be expected in 2020 for each MSA if the growth rates remains the same.

Dallas - 8.47 million
Houston - 7.6 million
Miami - 6.72 million
Atlanta - 6.63 million
Orlando - 3.28 million
Tampa - 3.23 million
Charlotte - 2.83 million
San Antonio - 2.73 million
Austin - 2.56 million
Raleigh- 2.27 million
Nashville - 1.97 million
Norfolk - 1.76 million

I stopped after that. There may be some mistakes. If so, I apologize.

Some thoughts:
-Dallas may be closer to becoming the third largest metro area sooner than many think. At this rate it may overtake Chicago around 2025 or so.
-That being said, it may be tough for those bigger metros (Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta) to continue growing at those rates.
-Over the next few years the smaller metros in the south may find it easier to maintain growth rates.
 
#111 ·
I was in Berlin about 12 years ago. Nice enough place, kind of like the Atlanta or Dallas of Europe. It's certainly not a destination city like Paris, London, Barcelona, Vienna or Rome. Perhaps the contest was "come see an OK place like Berlin in America". Of course the European equivalent of my city would be some dump like Brighton, Groningen or Calais
 
#123 ·
i was reading these last two posts and realized how similar they are to many of the complaints and gripes about the memphis msa and no csa designation. although greater memphis is said to have slightly over 2.4 million residents w/in 1 hour of the city proper cbd, it has no csa. supposedly, it does have an urbanized area, which is officially going to be the census bureau's way of ridding the usage of the haphazard way in which the csa designations have been applied from place to place. noticing one of the post, it indicated that the msa took in several areas that were designated msa's and even a micropolitian area. memphis has at least three micropolitan areas designated w/in one hour of the city proper, along w/ three micro designations, yet, they were not included in the msa or a csa. several have written the bureau for explanations and definitions, and they consistently said that the current system was being revived, and that there were approximately 4 additional metro areas that received the same designation in the 2000 census.

frankly, i don't know, w/ the elapse of time between figures, that we can ever really rely on solid numbers for the various metro areas. i have begun to notice that several of the published numbers showing a much greater rate of growth in the memphis metro that has just now begun to sync w/ numbers shown to the bureau in 2009. the tracking numbers submitted to the bureau in mid 2009 already showed the supposed 44,000 resident anomaly, and as it turned out, the number ended up being less than 4,000. the hispanic community could account for almost a hundred thousand in their community that was left off of the official count, asians were off by approximately 12%, and blacks, who have one of the worst records in the nation for preparing their census forms sent in approximately only 61% of their forms. now the memphis proper annex reserve is going to have to be added in the amount of approximately 18,000 to cover the new shelby county consolidated school district. naturally, this sprawls memphis 37 miles to the county line and the suburbs in the next county.

in 2009, memphis proper was gaining inner city residents, as they were being placed in new housing in the inner city, along w/ hispanics and international immigrants. the county had already reached a number somewhere around 934,000+ to as many as 961,000. memphis proper was approximately 704-716,000.

not that i enjoy someone else's misery or upset, but it is sort of comforting to see that examples are not just few and far between, but actually in one's back door. the southern metro, which covers 4 ms counties, are in a big mess w/ their growth and funding issues, ms politics, and political representation and federal funding. desoto county is the 32 fastest growing county in the nation, and a good deal of power has gone to those memphis metro counties, the casino district, and desoto county is now the largest public school system, knocking jackson, ms into 2nd place. all of this hasn't made haley barbour very happy. if i were ya'll, i would question as much as possible about the piss poor collection of data and how it is applied. it seemed nothing mattered this time except that hispanics becounted, regardless of any of the other demographics.
 
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