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Old December 22nd, 2012, 07:50 PM   #1
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The NUCLEAR INDUSTRY in the North East and Cumbria - Issues & Developments

No mention of SSC of one of the biggest developments in the NE and Cumbria, which is the search for a new waste depository for Sellafield. My understanding is that they want to start generating electricty again at Sellafield but have been told that a new waste depository must be found first. Two sites have been identified; one up the coast near Silloth, the other under Red Pike in the Ennerdale valley. In both cases the waste would be transported via a tunnel leading directly from Sellafield. In the case of Red Pike, this would mean excavation of large ammounts of granite, which could be sold. In the case of Silloth, the excavations would be of no value and would amount to the equivalent of 5 great pyramids. The site at Red Pike would need to be geologically investigated with bore-holes and dynamite. Tens of thousands of these measurements would need to be made, which would take many years, during which time the area would be closed off to the public. No decisions have been made. The locals are in uproar while politicians are supportive due to potential for investment and jobs.


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http://www.westcumbriamrws.org.uk/


"At a public meeting held in Ennerdale heard how nuclear waste could be stored under the Lake District National Park.

Around 160 local residents heard new details about the plans for a Geological Disposal Facility (GDF) to store nuclear waste in West Cumbria and potentially in the valley. The meeting received presentations from independent experts on geology, the environment and law as well as from Mr A Ellis Chief Engineer for the GDF from the Nuclear Decommissioning Agency (NDA) and also the Managing Radioactive Waste Safely (MRWS) engaged geologist Dr Dearlove.

At the end of the meeting those present were asked (on a show of hands) whether they wanted the repository project to proceed or not? There was unanimity that the project should not proceed and various actions were agreed in this regard. During the meeting it was confirmed that the NDA/Government are currently only looking at West Cumbria, as this is the only area to have expressed an interest. Dr Dearlove for MWRS acknowledged that he has identified two "rock volumes" in West Cumbria which he believes are potentially suitable for a repository. These are beneath Eskdale/Ennerdale, and close to Silloth."


http://www.cumbria24.com/news/2012/1...-lake-district


There are actually 2 mountains called 'Red Pike' within fairly close proximty. I believe the one in question sits between Ennerdale and Buttermere. Following the ridge from left to right, Red Pike is the third peak along:

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This site is around 10 miles as the crow flies from Sellafield itself.

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No mention of SSC of one of the biggest developments in the NE and Cumbria, which is the search for a new waste depository for Sellafield. My understanding is that they want to start generating electricty again at Sellafield but have been told that a new waste depository must be found first. Two sites have been identified; one up the coast near Silloth, the other under Red Pike in the Ennerdale valley. In both cases the waste would be transported via a tunnel leading directly from Sellafield. In the case of Red Pike, this would mean excavation of large ammounts of granite, which could be sold. In the case of Silloth, the excavations would be of no value and would amount to the equivalent of 5 great pyramids. The site at Red Pike would need to be geologically investigated with bore-holes and dynamite. Tens of thousands of these measurements would need to be made, which would take many years, during which time the area would be closed off to the public. No decisions have been made. The locals are in uproar while politicians are supportive due to potential for investment and jobs.

If there are some details around about this, and it looks like it is to become a 'Project', it could then be set up in it's own Project Thread . . .
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I'll try to find out more. Here's some other related news:

"The Albion Square development in the Cumbrian town of Whitehaven is a key project in the Britain’s Energy Coast (BEC) programme.

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...an-sindall.jpg

The development will comprise two four-storey office buildings, totalling 100,000 sq ft, on two adjacent sites on Swingpump Lane in the centre of the town. Once complete, the offices will house approximately 1,000 Sellafield Ltd office workers who will move from the Sellafield site. RMJM acted as concept and design architects and Hurd Rolland Partnership as project architects, with project management by Drivers Jonas Deloitte. Albion Square forms part of the wider West Cumbria Economic Blueprint, published by BEC earlier this year. The Blueprint outlines how BEC will help West Cumbria capitalise on a potential £90bn worth of investment in the nuclear industry and exploit opportunities in renewable technologies"


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Perhaps a thread for all 'Nuclear Power in the NE and Cumbria' issues? Appears to be the biggest thing going at the moment.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #5
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Perhaps a thread for all 'Nuclear Power in the NE and Cumbria' issues? Appears to be the biggest thing going at the moment.

Here is the new thread.

Nuclear Energy issues are always important, and if major developments are possibly about to happen in our region, then even more so . . .
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Old December 26th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #6
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Local opinion against the dump plans:

http://www.nolakesnukedump.com/

http://noend.org.uk/Index.htm

http://www.spand.org.uk/

I'd love to be able to post a link for the NDA's site of things but can't find anything. It does surprise me that the waste cannot be reprocessed instead of being burried.
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Old December 26th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #7
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It does surprise me that the waste cannot be reprocessed instead of being burried.
These are not mutually exculsive processes.

Fuel is processed, but after separation, there remains a residue which is at a much lower level of activity, but still carries an unsatisfactory level of activity which merits long-term burial.

Similarly, there are other low-level hazardous products, of little or no significant impact in themselves and which present a negigible hazard, but in their cumulative volume are not suitable for separation processes so must be dealth with by simple reduction and storeage.

I believe that underground storeage of low-level waste is reasonable, proportionate and, crucially, safe.
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Fuel is processed, but after separation, there remains a residue which is at a much lower level of activity, but still carries an unsatisfactory level of activity which merits long-term burial.
Are you talking about fission products? If so, I wouldn't describe Sr-90 and Cs-137 (which are beta emitters rather than alpha emitters) as having 'a much lower level of activity'. They do have a much shorter half-life (tens of years rather than billions). The nimby argument appeared to suggest that the waste was plutonium, although it appears that this is not the case.
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I live in Copeland, where Sellafield is based. Although I don't work there, 40 per cent of jobs in the borough depend on Sellafield, and the high wages it pays make a huge difference to the local economy. Also the 500 new jobs announced 3 weeks ago will make a huge difference to the local economy, which since the end of coal, chemicals and steel production, has become dependent on Sellafield as the only place that employs well paid staff in large numbers.
Without Sellafield it's likely Copeland could have become depressed as some of the towns in the North East, which had little to fall back on when their traditional industries declined. At least Sellafield has taken up plenty of the slack locally from the end of traditional industries, although pockets of severe unemployment exist locally and wages for non Sellafield workers are far lower( tell me about it).
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Lake District National Park may host nuclear waste site
BBC News Website, 12th January 2013


Sellafield already stores a large amount of radioactive waste

CAMPAIGNERS have called for the Lake District National Park to be excluded from a search for an underground nuclear waste repository in Cumbria. Councils in the west of the county have expressed an interest in taking waste from the Sellafield reprocessing plant, but at a public meeting in Keswick the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) was urged to rule out the national park.

The NDA said the park's geology could make it suitable for a repository.

The Lake District National Park Authority has already told the government that a repository "would not be in the long term interests of the Lake District". Copeland and Allerdale have been earmarked as potential sites to store high-level radioactive waste.


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Also contentious at the moment is the Albion Square development where a 19th century pub is to be demolished. Unfortunately, while the pub does have some architectural merit, it had a reputation for being a dive.
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Also contentious at the moment is the Albion Square development where a 19th century pub is to be demolished. Unfortunately, while the pub does have some architectural merit, it had a reputation for being a dive.

Is this on the correct thread?
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He's referring to the new offices for Sellafield workers, so it's relevant.

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Are you sure? The rendering shows the pub still standing:

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He's referring to the new offices for Sellafield workers, so it's relevant.

Thanks, I just couldn't work out the link !
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Protests at nuclear waste store meeting in Carlisle
By Ian Duncan, Cumberland News, 25th January 2013



Anti-nuclear campaigners protested in Carlisle as trade union leaders gave their backing to a study into the possibility of an underground atomic store in Cumbria.

A meeting took place at the city’s Hallmark Hotel today as the debate over whether the county should remain in the running to be considered for a repository continues.

Three councils – Cumbria County, Copeland and Allerdale – will decide on Wednesday whether to go to the next level of feasibility studies to see whether Cumbria can be considered as a serious contender for a store.


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Old January 29th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #16
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Mrs NH has just received this e-mail, this morning . . .


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From: Hannah Lownsbrough - 38 Degrees
Date: 29/01/13 ; 13:09:26
Subject: Our national treasure is under threat


Dear Mrs _ _ _ _ _ _ _


It has inspired our poets and painters for centuries, and still provides a haven of unspoiled beauty and calm for millions of visitors every year, but if we don’t act, our iconic and beloved Lake District could soon be known as something else: the UK’s newest nuclear waste dump and the largest toxic dump in the world. [1]

We’re not making this up. And if this plan goes ahead, it’s not only radioactive waste we’d be dumping: we’d likely be kissing goodbye to tens of thousands of jobs and wiping billions of pounds off our tourist industry as well.

We don’t have much time - decision-makers meet tomorrow. But they’re under heavy pressure already - experts have condemned the plans, local people have been up in arms and thousands have signed a 38 Degrees petition to stop the nuclear dump. A late surge of signatures could be all we need to push them over the edge - and stop this crazy plan once and for all.

Click here to sign the petition:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/stop-lakes-nuclear-dump

A few years ago, the government asked local councils to volunteer to store the country’s nuclear waste. Cumbria County Council responded, lured by the prospect of new jobs in construction. Now councillors are meeting tomorrow to vote whether to start investigating potential dump sites - either next to or actually inside the borders of the national park.

They’re actually considering this. Radioactive waste. Inside our largest national park.

Eminent scientists like Stuart Haszeldine of the University of Edinburgh are already warning that if a dump is built, radioactive gas could leak to the surface within 60 years. But you don’t have to be a geology professor to work out that this plan is a monumentally bad idea. [2]

If we can show local officials their dumping plans are likely to cause a national outcry, they’ll be much more likely to quietly drop them at their vote this Wednesday. Sign the petition now:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/stop-lakes-nuclear-dump

When David Cameron’s government tried to sell off our forests, we didn’t let them sweet-talk a few local decision-makers with promises of economic gain. We banded together as a nation and said, ‘no way - this history, this heritage, this space for wild beauty and freedom belongs to all of us.’

Well, the Lake District is a national treasure. It employs 55,000 people in tourism alone - but how many people are going to want to visit a national park scarred by a Channel Tunnel-sized construction project? Who’s going to go on holiday to a toxic waste dump the size of a city? This is going to cost jobs - and far more than will ever be created by turning the Lake District into the UK’s newest dumping ground. [3]

Most of the country still has no idea this is happening - and we only have 24 hours to spread the word far and wide. Click here to sign the petition - and share it with your friends:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/stop-lakes-nuclear-dump


Thank you for standing up for something so special,

Hannah, David, Marie and the 38 Degrees team


PS: Our petition is going to be hand-delivered to local officials tomorrow. It was set up by 38 Degrees member Peter Maher from Cumbria on the new ‘Campaigns by You’ part of the 38 Degrees site. ‘Campaigns by You’ is a free and powerful tool that lets you start and run campaigns on any issue you care about. Check out the campaigns that are already running or start your own here: http://you.38degrees.org.uk/


NOTES
[1] The Guardian: 'Nuclear waste? No thanks,' say Lake District national park tourism chiefs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ja...r-waste-burial
[2] Open Democracy: How to bury nuclear waste under the democratic carpet in Cumbria
http://www.opendemocracy.net/openeco...pet-in-cumbria
[3] Cumbria Tourism research
http://www.cumbriatourism.org/resear...veys-data.aspx
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Any idea why your wife was targeted with the e-mail NH? Seems a bit strange and improper that they're going further afield to get support for their objection. The way I see things, 99% of people in the local area (i.e. Ennerdale) are opposed to this, but there will be more support in the surrounding towns like Cleator Moor and Whitehaven in which the nuclear industry is considered vital. I heard rumours that a formal referendum was being planned, in which case the catchment area chosen would have a crucial role in the outcome.
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Any idea why your wife was targeted with the e-mail NH? Seems a bit strange and improper that they're going further afield to get support for their objection.

Seemingly she became involved with the organisation the e-mail about Cumbria came from ("38 Degrees, People, Power, Change") in connection with an un-related "E-Petition" to the Prime Ministers Office.

Occasionally, since that (successful, as it happens) petition she was involved with, she now receives e-mail contact from them about subjects they think she might also like to get involved with.
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From the Whitehaven News: "COPELAND Council has voted 'yes' to going forward to the next stage of the repository search process. Members of the council's Executive committee voted six to one in favour of moving to stage four of the process of finding an underground site locally to house high-level nuclear waste. Council leader Elaine Woodburn told today's meeting: "I don't know whether a geological disposal facility (GDF) is right for Copeland - and if the next stage finds that it's not then I will be the first to say we don't want it. But we have taken the right decision today to try and find out."

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More news. Looks like the decision is final - no:

"Energy secretary Ed Davey said they respected Cumbria council's decision not to go-ahead with the search for a suitable site. Members of the county's cabinet voted 7-3 against proceeding at the end of a meeting lasting almost four hours in Carlisle.

That came after Copeland council's executive had earlier voted six to one in favour of moving to stage four of finding an underground site locally to house high-level nuclear waste. It had been agreed that both county and borough councils needed to be in favour for the process to continue.

"As such, the current process will be brought to a close in west Cumbria," added Mr Davey. “We will now embark on a renewed drive to ensure that the case for hosting a GDF (geological disposal facility) is drawn to the attention of other communities.


http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/news...errerPath=home

Response by 'Nathan': "Being an employee of the County Council I am bound to respect its decision and remain neutral. This will not be the case right now. I express disgust at Councillor Martin and Councillor Young for putting politics before what's right, they should press on with the process and press for the survey to be taken anyway - to eliminate any uncertainty. What they have done, is condemned Sellafield. Mr Martin should not stand for election if he is as exhausted as what he says.

Well, the NIMBYs can rejoice."
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