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Old January 2nd, 2016, 03:23 AM   #201
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From what I see Brazil housing system looks like promising.Pix Doesn't look too much doctored(IMO). Folks look decent and liberal. To all those people in the developed world, reaching to your level both from personal and social POV will take time and it may even take a different dimension. How about some facilities like swimming pool/play ground for kids etc. in the Brazilian housing? One thing I love are those side-walks hope they designed it like Europe/USA. There is no proper sidewalk anywhere in my place.
There are school, healthcare center and police station:

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Minha Casa Minha Vida em Catanduva (SP) by Blog do Planalto, no Flickr


O MCMV entrega 1.237 moradias em Catanduva (SP) by Imprensa CAIXA, no Flickr


Minha Casa Minha Vida em Catanduva (SP) by Blog do Planalto, no Flickr


Minha Casa Minha Vida em Catanduva (SP) by Blog do Planalto, no Flickr


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Minha Casa Minha Vida em Catanduva (SP) by Blog do Planalto, no Flickr


Minha Casa Minha Vida em Catanduva (SP) by Blog do Planalto, no Flickr

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Minha Casa Minha Vida entrega 603 unidades em Umuarama (PR) by Imprensa CAIXA, no Flickr


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Old January 2nd, 2016, 04:22 PM   #203
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Why are they doing only small houses in Brazil, rather than blocks of flats? Is it cheaper?
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 05:22 PM   #204
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Small houses are less expensive than apartment in some places here, but in our major cities like são paulo it's common apartment than houses.

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Old January 2nd, 2016, 05:43 PM   #205
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Are there churches in those mini cities in Brazil ?
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 06:14 PM   #206
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Of course not

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Entrega de casas no Leme (14/10) by Secretaria da Habitação SP, no Flickr


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Old January 4th, 2016, 04:23 AM   #207
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From what I have seen in this thread:
Singapore-could only see skyscrapers boring.
Brazil - I kind of like it farms/plantation/woods just a walk away. Hope the materials and civic infra is good along with policing. Far from the city as long there is transportation why care much? Give it some time.
USA- Housing looks good and spacious, if the crime rate is high problem might lie elsewhere.
Argentina-Could have been better, but still okay.
Spain,UK,ROE looks lavish need it be so extravagant? But I love the sidewalks, wheel chair ramps, pedestrian crossings. The ROW can learn about these simple things from North America and Europe.
BTW I am from India, cheers.
Are there some similar program in India ?
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Old January 4th, 2016, 03:01 PM   #208
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On one side I think this is a very good development, especially when you consider the rise in quality of life for the affected people. On the other side I am wondering if it would be possible to mix those developments more with other developments that are not dedicated for the poorest of poor (not neccesssarily for the rich but you get what I am saying).

Also what is about the connection to the central districts? I imagine those small house developments are rather hard to connect by public transport due to the low density but PT is what those poor people rely on, isn't it?

And last but not least, what about mixed developments, ie creating jobs and industries not too far away from those new places?


I know that these homes are incredibly important now but those aspects I am talking about might make the difference if those cities will curse those places in 30 years time or not. Just look at the affordable housing projects in Europe or the US for reference. (Things maybe were not quite as bad but the lack of living space was tremendous after the war in many parts of Europe and needed quick solutions)
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Old January 4th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #209
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On one side I think this is a very good development, especially when you consider the rise in quality of life for the affected people. On the other side I am wondering if it would be possible to mix those developments more with other developments that are not dedicated for the poorest of poor (not neccesssarily for the rich but you get what I am saying).

Also what is about the connection to the central districts? I imagine those small house developments are rather hard to connect by public transport due to the low density but PT is what those poor people rely on, isn't it?

And last but not least, what about mixed developments, ie creating jobs and industries not too far away from those new places?


I know that these homes are incredibly important now but those aspects I am talking about might make the difference if those cities will curse those places in 30 years time or not. Just look at the affordable housing projects in Europe or the US for reference. (Things maybe were not quite as bad but the lack of living space was tremendous after the war in many parts of Europe and needed quick solutions)
First of all, we need to understand how urban fabric are different from place to place. Even inside the same state, you'll see distinctions (let's think of São Paulo state). To understand those patterns, you can go to Google Maps and say how cities like Jundiaí (rugged terrain inside the macrometropolitan area) or Araraquara (flat terrain in the real upstate) looks like.

About social mixing developments, that's quite complicated as the only area Brazil is liberal is on the real estate development. People buy, sell, develop and fix prices at their will. If a private entity is interested to build houses for the middle-class near those social housing areas, and middle-classers want to buy them, it will happen. Otherwise, it won't.

I'm afraid you are simplistic about PT. Social housing has always been built in this country, since the beginning of rural exodus, by both leaning right and left governments. That's also answer your question about the future of those developments. The ones built in the 1960's, 1970's, turned into regular (and improved) low middle-class neighbourhoods as the owners were adding improvements and change them. Most of Londrina (Paraná state), were built as social housing in the late 1970's and early 1980's and now is just a regular part of the city, becoming unrecognizable.

Overall, Brazilian social housing has a good record, fortunately not going to the same path of failed experiences in both the US and Europe.
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It is interesting to see how the housing need is handled in various parts of the world.
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This is Rusunawa (Rumah Susun Sewa/Rental Apartment) in Jakarta, Indonesia. They are the public housing that can be rented at a very low price. They are not for sale but for rent only (to the government), because from past cases, poor people tend to sell or lease their unit and goes back to live in the slums. They can't resist the temptation of having some cash, apparently.

In Rusunawa the family who rented an apartment unit there must be the same family with the one who actually live in the unit.

Some (if not most) people who live in the Rusunawa are relocated from slums nearby.

Some Rusunawa give away basic furnitures for the people who come in; referigerator, bed, dining table, and TV. Some of them are acquired from CSR program of private companies and some other from the government.







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That's a good example of how Brazilian social housing tends to melt easily with the existant urban fabric. In few years, people will start to make improvements and it will look like a regular neighbourhood.
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How many livable square metres do those Brazilian houses provide? They seem to have been designed with an average family size in mind, but in order to get the average you need all sorts of numbers, smaller and larger. Each family tends to have different needs....
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How many livable square metres do those Brazilian houses provide? They seem to have been designed with an average family size in mind, but in order to get the average you need all sorts of numbers, smaller and larger. Each family tends to have different needs....
They are usually small. Those in Pato Branco seem to be a 6mx6m square. According to the 2010 Census, there are 3.3 people per household in Brazil, down from 3.8 in 2000. TFR went below 1.8.
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