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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:23 PM   #1
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Alan Smiths ambulance attacked

If this is true I'm ashamed to be a Scouser - let alone a Liverpudlian. Fucking disgraceful. I thought we were above all this. I hope they find the twats and throw away the key.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:41 PM   #2
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.. Appalling. Bt thank god the poor lad wasn't at Old Trafford!

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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:51 PM   #3
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Is this part of Liverpools image problem?

We've created a thread about a minor incident that magnifies the event further. No other city of citizens, as far as I'm aware, are so concerned are socially minded enough to do this.

Is it a strength of ours or a weakness?

Personally I think it's a strength of us as people, but too many people accentuate it and use it against us.

This should go in the defacto Liverpool FC thread "Hail Rafa".

Maybe we could use the Skybar to widen the issue, one thing I'd like to see is attacks on medics being punished as serverely as attacks on the police.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:53 PM   #4
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Is this part of Liverpools image problem?

We've created a thread about a minor incident that magnifies the event further. No other city of citizens, as far as I'm aware, are so concerned are socially minded enough to do this.

Is it a strength of ours or a weakness?

Personally I think it's a strength of us as people, but too many people accentuate it and use it against us.

This should go in the defacto Liverpool FC thread "Hail Rafa".

Maybe we could use the Skybar to widen the issue, one thing I'd like to see is attacks on medics being punished as serverely as attacks on the police.
Good point.

Shame on you Waterfront.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 01:59 PM   #5
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Let's start a lynch Waterfront thread.

If the incident is so serious I'll expect Merseyside Police to launch a full investegation and make arrests.

That would rely on them using one of the motorcycle escorts statement though "nothing happened".
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM   #6
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I was there on saturday (in the United end), the atmosphere was just a tad hostile- and I mean from the Manc following. It seemed most were more interested in shouting abuse that supporting the team. Fair enough to a degree, but every time ive seen these two sides play a)United lose b) it brings out the worst in everyone. Some people just take it too far, its a game not a war
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:03 PM   #7
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Spot on SJ.

It should deflect from Ambulances and their occupants being abused though, even if the abuse in this incident was largely verbal and intimating rather than actually violent.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:04 PM   #8
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I was there on saturday (in the United end), the atmosphere was just a tad hostile- and I mean from the Manc following. It seemed most were more interested in shouting abuse that supporting the team. Fair enough to a degree, but every time ive seen these two sides play a)United lose b) it brings out the worst in everyone. Some people just take it too far, its a game not a war
Well said. It is deeply shameful how peoples lives are so sad, empty and miserbale that they must take a beautiful game and completely soil it by acting like complete cunts.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:32 PM   #9
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If you look at the 'evidence' and the 'statements' there are inconsistencies all over the place.

No doubt there were hostile shouts made by some wanks that made the ambulance staff fear forr their safety... but the ambulance report states that there was NO damage to the ambulance and the trip to the hospital was NOT delayed... all gets curious.

I have never known a brick (never mind a 'hail' of them) to do no damage at all... and I have never heard of a vehicle that could carry on it's mission unhindered whislt being rocked in an attempt to turn it over.

Most of the condemnations have been made by people who have been told what 'has happened' rather than what has been 'reported' as have happened.

None of the 'eye witnesses' have been named 'eye witnesses'

I do not think we have heard the whole story... and I feel that much of the hyperbole does actually stem from the Manchester Gruniad!

I am not an apologist for hooligan behaviour... if it turns out that what has been reported indeed turns out to be true then I would go along with Waterfront..... I am yet to be convinced that these events actually did though!
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The story actually came from the hateful Red Issue website hours after the game.

Daniel Taylor has an agenda, no doubt he's read Red Issue and turned it into a story, a full 5 days later.

Taylor is the type of fella who'd have ran negative story about people based on skin colour 20 years ago.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 02:54 PM   #11
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The story actually came from the hateful Red Issue website hours after the game.

Daniel Taylor has an agenda, no doubt he's read Red Issue and turned it into a story, a full 5 days later.

Taylor is the type of fella who'd have ran negative story about people based on skin colour 20 years ago.
Isn't there some kind of board of standards this shoddy jounalism can be reported to?
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 03:23 PM   #12
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The thing is Taylor uses the time honoured get out clause of being vague. Her's a paragraph

"The two paramedics - both Liverpool fans - have been described as "horrified" by what the trust described as the "hostility" once supporters realised Smith was in the ambulance with United's doctor Mike Stone. The vehicle was described as being rocked from side to side as drinkers rushed out of the King Harry pub, some apparently with the intention of turning the vehicle on its side."

I'd expect that level of writing in The Star.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 03:29 PM   #13
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The journalistic integrity of the Daily Star is infinitely superior to that of the low-brow gruniad Toad... always has been.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 03:33 PM   #14
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I was being flippant Tony!

A lad I used to work with used to bring the Guardian in every day, I'd flick through and spend far too much time lambasting articles in there - the only other newspaper that has that effect on me is The Mail.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:01 PM   #15
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:08 PM   #16
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Sorry Toadboy... the admonishment was not a serious one!!!
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:10 PM   #17
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after three everybody build a bridge and get over it!!!!
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:12 PM   #18
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Taylor's piece is a smear: a minor seemingly incident that has ended up on the front page of the newspaper.

His opening paragraph gives the game away: "The reputation of Liverpool fans took another pummelling last night when it was revealed that the ambulance taking Alan Smith to hospital has come under attack outside Anfield."

What is he on about? It's a remarkably similar sentiment to the one that opens the ManU supporters hate mag, Red Issue's article on the issue: "SCOUSERS SINK TO EVEN LOWER DEPTHS: Just when you thought it was no longer possible............... [sic, that's four ellipses, I think] Scousers tried to attack Smith's ambulance on Saturday so said one of the paramedics whom a friend of Red Issue is acquainted with."

Liverpool fans (allegedly) get up to no good, in a general context of Liverpool fans not having a bad record for hooliganism (in reality), and Taylor reports the incident in lurid terms and states withouth qualification that this is yet another pummelling (i.e., the incident was a truly awful as he is reporting) to Liverpool's (subtext: godawful, worthless, scumbag) reputation.

A couple of questions: does Liverpool FC have a magazine like Red Issue, one which thrives on hatred and bigotry - RAOTL, etc., don't seem to be like this - and can we be certain that an injured Liverpool player would have been applauded off the pitch by Man U fans at Old Trafford? Maybe I'm biassed, but I'm not so sure.

And, as for the shit in cans thing, did this happen? It's getting into Jewish blood libel/National Front stiring up hatred based on black rapes of white girls territory if not and it is being reported as fact.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:14 PM   #19
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I wasn't serious either.

The article and others over the past week are big examples of Liverpools weak position when it comes to making its case in the media.

Ironically, one journalist Oliver Kay, covered the nasty atmosphere around Saturdays match and addressed all involved. Oliver is Liverpudlian but saw no reason to lambast United while whitewashing Liverpool.
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 04:31 PM   #20
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It was shit on a try first, then in cups, now its bog roll with shit on it. No evidence and in this age of video phones etc. there'd be something. The alarming thing is when respected (hahaha) media reports things as fact and people pick up on it.

Man Uniteds media machine make Goebbals look like an amateur.

As for vile vitriolic websites, Red Issue has no bed fellow, even the Urchins site is tame compared to them. God knows how incitement laws haven't been used against them before.
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