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Old October 16th, 2006, 06:48 PM   #101
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Eomer :
There is way to expand PDP to 80.000, as it was put on the table for the 98 world cup. At this time, building a third tier (a la san ciro) was about as expensive as building an entierly new stadium (SDF) so the priject was quickly scrapped.
But now, This project would be cheaper and with the last technologies could be done quicker.
Anyway, it keeps being something extremly expensive and would be a total waste of time and money.
In theory, it is possible
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Old October 17th, 2006, 07:20 PM   #102
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if PDP would be distroyed to be completly rebuilt, it would upset eveybody in Paris.
There's a lot of option to upgrade the comfort of this great stadium without a lot of change.
Upgrade the capacity would be a different story and due to the architecture of the building, the fans would not recognize the place after the lifting...

So much things can happen so what can we really expect within the next ten years for the Parc des Princes?
In my opinion the Parc des Princes is one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. yes it needs a facelift, so do that, maybe an expention to 50.000 +, but 80.000? why?
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Old October 18th, 2006, 01:16 AM   #103
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I don't know too.
It's really stupid to want to expand PDP to 80.000...

PDP is
-a superb stadium
-loved by the players
-loved by the fans
-sold out only once or twice a years.

So there's no need to expand it, I agree to that too.

If what they really want is PDP to become a UEFA 5 star stadium by breaking the 50 mark, so go for the project that opened the topic (digging)...

I noted I didn't answered to one of neda say though:
I think the idea of 80k, whatever it's reasonnable or not, has a lot to do with Marseille project to expand velodrome to 80k because to satisfy the ego is the only logic that can make PSG bosses dream of such a capacity.
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Old October 18th, 2006, 01:33 AM   #104
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Yeah Vilak I know what you mean but that's not a logic it's just being beyond dumbness. That's what it is.

I hope they make it 54000 seats closer to the field and luxury suites and maybe a bit of heating to keep fans happy.
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Old October 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM   #105
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Look, there's enough place to built top tiers around most of the stadium







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Old October 18th, 2006, 01:59 PM   #106
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Diggin will reduce the pitch size.
Will it still be on UEFA requirement?
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Old October 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM   #107
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Well as I've said again, 80k is really too much, there isn't enough space, and I can't see them destroying the whole roof, knowing that it's an integral part of the structure.
I do want them to refurbish it, but otherwise I like my PdP as it is. The 54k expansion is good, but 80k is just a vision, nothing more.
It's just too big of a project, it would require destroying some buildings around it, taking down the roof, then finding a way to expand around it...
but if they do manage to finish it, it will be a real wonder
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Old October 19th, 2006, 09:07 PM   #108
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Diggin will reduce the pitch size.
Will it still be on UEFA requirement?
Oh yeah no problem there! there really is ton's of space being the goap post
however playing rugby there will be pretty much out of the question.
but hey Stade Français is having a new r.s.s stadium built right next to pdp thay can't complain!
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Old October 19th, 2006, 10:47 PM   #109
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Cool!

concerning Jean bouins, I've heard that people resident that live next to it and PDP are damn against it.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 02:18 AM   #110
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Cool!

concerning Jean bouin, I've heard that people resident that live next to it and PDP are damn against it.
Shhh don't say that! Even if it's true!

Well this is the 16th district these people don't enjoy roadwork or any kind of disturbance anyway! That's why we are not supposed to listen to their grief. Delanoe (Paris mayor) had a choice: modify Charletty which did not need much or averhaul Jean Bouin. He chose the latest. I have no idea why but he did. It should start in 2010 finished by 2012 and have a cap of 20000.

Funny thing while Jean Bouin is being destroyed (they should only keep walls for the look) where do you think Stade Français is going to play???

Parc des Princes, Stade de France or Charletty!!!
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Old October 20th, 2006, 02:29 AM   #111
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I'd bet on charletty because 20.000 is big enough for regular season.
Of course SDF will be used for big match and perhaps PDP will also be there, perhaps for the complete european cup?

Please tell me what is right and what is wrong in my though
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Old October 20th, 2006, 02:30 AM   #112
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I would have to ask about it to make sure but you can't have pdp at 80000 if you're planning to have Jean Bouin at 20000. These two are as close as it gets. I 've been to Jean bouin numerous times any kind of work made on pdp would be a major disturbance and vice versa.

Considering this factor I seriously doubt that the 80000 project would be greenlighted by the mayor office or the prefect services. Not to forget this project would involve roofing the Peripherique on a pretty substantial surface.

In addition to that remember that media mogul Lagardere is supposed to build something on the same cluster i.e. the HQ of Team Lagardere Jean bouin Tennis Club. Unless he decides to move it to La Croix Catelan that he now owns.

Speaking about expanding PDP, says who?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:28 AM   #113
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Ok so if the 80K one is just a dream of billionaires owners blocked by reason, cost and urbanism, can we count on the 54K expansion?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 01:21 PM   #114
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Well I hope so?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 01:35 PM   #115
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Well as most of us nomally minded people, I think you're right!
Now remember it's Max Guazzini "cool" megalomania at work!!!
SF obviously turned down Charletty for reason I ignore so far.
PSG is not to keen to have games of rugby played on it's field.
Stade de france is available but really expensive to book.

What's your choice now!?

ps: Charletty has an athletic track just like jean bouin does! It's always a major factor and it's location is really far from perfect in Paris south
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Old October 20th, 2006, 02:45 PM   #116
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I would choose charletty. SF won't pass the 20.000 average attendance.
Of course for european cup I would choose parc des princes.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:55 PM   #117
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Yeah just this is going to cause trouble!
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Old October 21st, 2006, 01:03 AM   #118
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It's always causing trouble when two team share the same stadium...
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Old November 7th, 2006, 11:18 AM   #119
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So we're light years away from PSG moving from PDP, great.
Hope this expansion will start as soon as the rugby world cup is over
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Old November 7th, 2006, 08:06 PM   #120
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todays news from l'equipe.fr in french sorry
4 equity funds would buy shares of the club ... They would not replace the actual owners( Butler-Colony-Stanley) but come in addition to them as they owners planned it at the beginning.

Quatre fonds d'investissement, deux français et deux anglo-saxons, devraient bientôt entrer dans le capital du Paris-SG aux côtés de Colony Capital, Butler Capital Partners et Morgan Stanley, d'après le site internet du quotidien La Tribune.

«Quatre fonds d'investissement, deux français et deux anglo-saxons, vont bientôt rejoindre le capital du club de football, le Paris Saint-Germain. Ils prendront au total 40% du club de la capitale et viendront rejoindre chacun détenant 20% des parts», assure le quotidien. Le club parisien avait été cédé par Canal + en avril dernier au trio Butler-Colony-Stanley pour 41 millions d'euros. Ces nouveaux actionnaires avaient indiqué dès le départ qu'il allaient ouvrir le capital à de nouveaux investisseurs quelques mois après leur arrivée.
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