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Old January 30th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #961
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It turns out that the primary cause of the delay in the new airport's opening was the highly complex fire protection and alarm system. It is said that large-scale reconstruction work may be needed in order for the system to pass the acceptance test. Also, there is a problem with the wiring, and some ventilation vents have apparently been placed in inappropriate conditions. And, around 60 km of construction pipes may have been installed without any thermal insulation and to correct this, the demolition of numerous walls (probably interior and a few exterior) may become necessary.
Jsut recently they discovered that if the airport runs at full, the electrical and electronical wiring in the main cable duct emits so much heat it needs a second sprinkler unit to prevent fires .... quite a charade that's going on there ...
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Old February 11th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #962
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Old March 20th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #963
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So, what's the latest on this?
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Old March 21st, 2014, 12:19 PM   #964
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There has been a lot of smaller news around the airport lately but not much noteworthy. I'll try to summarize (and find a english sources)

1. Still no opening date. And it's ave to say that the airport won't be opened this year. The airport boss even send put a warning that it might be opened in 2016 Source 1 Source 2
2. No partial airport opening. All plans of a temporal opening of the airport north pier have been dismissed German Source
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 10:55 AM   #965
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Berlin airport will 'cost €8 billion and open in 2017'

The €8 billion bill is €6 billion more than the original estimate, Bild newspaper reported, citing sources from Brandenburg's economic ministry.

The report, which quotes three anonymous "high-ranking insiders" from the project, also claims many working on the complex have worries about the buildings' safety and irregularities in the plans.

The experts warned that inconsistencies between different building plans could lead to disaster, with authorities unable to be sure of locating vital features such as fire doors in an emergency.

Safety and technical issues are so widespread that insiders believe the airport must either be gutted down to just the outer walls, or rebuilt from scratch, Bild claimed.

An internal "cost-control" body has produced a list of 66,000 "defects" in the new 10,000-square-metre terminal south of Berlin.

And despite being three years behind schedule, the Brandenburg regional government's airport committee announced last month BER was still only “four percent” problem-free.

The airport, which originally hoped to open its doors in 2011, is now not expected to be completed until after 2017, Bild said.

However it is still officially planned to open in 2014 or 2015.

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 12:16 PM   #966
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Pleeeaaase! You are quoting the least trusted German newspaper! That's a load of rubbish and not based on any facts! The airport most certainly is 80+% complete, and what people also tend to overlook (whether on purpose or not) is, that the airport that so far cost €4.5bn is actually much bigger than when it was planned for just €2bn, as additional capacity (terminals/piers) were added during construction! So it's unfair to include those capacity expansions in the cost comparison to argue the case of cost blowouts!
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 12:19 PM   #967
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I'm sure you said the same thing when tabloids came out and said the airport wasn't going to open in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014...
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 03:14 AM   #968
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Pleeeaaase! You are quoting the least trusted German newspaper! That's a load of rubbish and not based on any facts! The airport most certainly is 80+% complete, and what people also tend to overlook (whether on purpose or not) is, that the airport that so far cost €4.5bn is actually much bigger than when it was planned for just €2bn, as additional capacity (terminals/piers) were added during construction! So it's unfair to include those capacity expansions in the cost comparison to argue the case of cost blowouts!
even if its build 99% and just all cables would be missing for instance, it would cost shit ton.

And here they dont even know the problem
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Old April 5th, 2014, 06:18 PM   #969
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This airport is becoming a joke.
I'm wondering what are the real explanations for such a delay.
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Old April 5th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #970
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Old April 8th, 2014, 03:52 AM   #971
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Do they have an actual timeline for its opening?
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Old April 8th, 2014, 06:01 AM   #972
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Old April 8th, 2014, 09:41 PM   #973
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This airport project is a BIG shame for Germany !
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It is a very weird situation. Major construction is complete and structurally sound. All tests with passenger and luggage have been performed. Yet the freaking fire prevention is not working.
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Old April 8th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #975
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Do they have an actual timeline for its opening?
Haha, yur funny.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #976
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Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt - BER-Technikchef Großmann unter Korruptionsverdacht (Google translated)

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BER CTO Grossmann under suspicion of corruption

"The Monster" he wanted to tame: BER technical director Jochen Grossmann should get the complicated smoke ventilation system at the airport under control. Now he has an even bigger problem - for the prosecutor investigating him. They were accused of "corruption in the trade '. According to airport CEO Mehdorn it is about 500,000 euros.
The Neuruppin office is investigating the BER technical director Jochen Grossmann. There is a suspicion of corruption in the awarding of contracts. According to initial information, the Office of Grossmann was searched in Dresden on Tuesday. Airport CEO Hartmut Mehdorn has already announced "zero tolerance", Grossmann is released after rbb information soon. Then the search for a new chief technology officer begins.

Mehdorn had previously reported that, according to the previous state of knowledge by around half a million euro bribe go - which was by rbb information but not paid. The name "Great Man" Mehdorn not called, however. "The senior executives" had been responsible for procurement at BER Airport and is said to have recovered from a contractor benefits, it said in a press release by the airport company. The suspicion had arisen after a meeting with the representatives of technical planning company. The airport company was not affected by the search.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #977
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4.3bn euro used in construction. Considering the German govt. continues financing (which it has to), it has a finance cost of at a 4% rate of e172m, + some small operating expenses, that should amount to about 200m euro per year. By 2017 at current costs you could build half a new airport (at original costs) already.

German taxpayers must be full of joy, pride and glory for this engineering masterpiece.
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4.3bn euro used in construction. Considering the German govt. continues financing (which it has to), it has a finance cost of at a 4% rate of e172m, + some small operating expenses, that should amount to about 200m euro per year. By 2017 at current costs you could build half a new airport (at original costs) already.

German taxpayers must be full of joy, pride and glory for this engineering masterpiece.
"Engineering?" Lol the "engineer" on this project wasn't even a real engineer, just some random guy they picked up off the street.

http://www.thelocal.de/20140625/fake...rt-fire-system

Here is an example of this type of engineer, hahaha.


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Old June 30th, 2014, 02:51 AM   #979
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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:13 AM   #980
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I just had to rub it in with the below report from the new Beijing airport.

Six years ago the new Terminal 3 of Beijing Capital International Airport, competing with Dubai T3 for largest terminal, largest building, in the world. Dubai was a little later, a little bigger. After a few years they realised it wasn't big enough and last year they finally decided to build another airport, the world's largest airport (again in competition with a future Dubai airport). The first actual construction happened this year, and they plan to open it, with infrastructure, in 2018. Though to be fair it won't have grown to full capacity until about 2030.

Question is, which airport will open first, BER or this new airport in Daxing...

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Beijing new airport - Only 8 minutes' walk to furthest boarding gate
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It will take only 8 minutes by foot to reach the furthest boarding gate at Beijing's new airport, which is expected to be put into operation in 2018, said an official with the Municipal Development and Reform Commission Monday.

The new airport is designed under the guidance of user and environment-friendly concept. Passengers will only need to walk 8 minutes, or about 630 meters to reach the furthest boarding gate, as opposed to 26 minutes required at the Terminal 3 of Beijing Capital International Airport (PEK).

The height of the terminal building reduced to 50 meters

In order to better utilize space and get natural lighting and ventilation, the height of the terminal building will be reduced from 80 meters to 50 meters, greatly enhancing efficiency.

Moreover, the lighting and air conditioning system will be adjusted in accordance with the time of the day; energy-saving technologies such as geothermal energy and eco-friendly building materials will be used as well.

Building a new airport in Beijing has become an urgent task as demand for air travel increasingly outgrows the capacity of the existing airports in the city. The official revealed that the project is expected to get approval from the authorities in the first half of this year; the construction is scheduled to complete in 2017 and the airport is to be put into use in 2018.

Rail transit to be built for the new airport

The official added that construction of several infrastructural projects will kick off successively this year, including a 66-kilometer subway line from Mudanyuan to the new airport, which is expected to complete in 2018.

New airport to serve as an international air center

The new airport will serve as an international air center that caters to both domestic and international air travel demand. While Beijing Capital International Airport focuses mainly on passenger transport, the new airport is expected to lay equal emphasis on passenger and cargo traffic, building itself into an airport that is more internationally competitive.

Meanwhile, authorities are considering establishing an airport cluster comprising of the new airport, Beijing Capital International Airport, Tianjian airport and Shijiazhuang airport, with consideration given to building an airport economic zone that can promote coordinated development among the three areas.

The new airport is expected to help ease pressure on Beijing Capital International Airport, which remained the world's second-busiest airport in 2013 in terms of passenger throughput.
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