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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #6841
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I reckon Willis will be replaced in the next decade.
I doubt so. It is a brand new absolutely fantastic building.

To me, the current priority is to have 100 Bishopsgate and foremost the Pinnacle being built. Also for the City to get a real skyline.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #6842
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We can clearly see in Chests pic at the top of the page that 20FC is miles away from the cluster.
What is the obsession on SSC with "clusters"?
Can a building not be judged on its own merits without having to be within or outside a group of other buildings of similar height?
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #6843
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It's one hell of a fat cow. Makes it easy to forget it's still a tall st times.
I suppose the perfect comparison right now is st georges tower, which isn't much taller yet looks twice the height!
As any woman will tell you, girth is just as important as length. Nobody likes a stick.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:57 PM   #6844
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What is the obsession on SSC with "clusters"?
Can a building not be judged on its own merits without having to be within or outside a group of other buildings of similar height?
The problem is that I do not see any any architectural merits in this building. To my opinion it represents the worst of corporate greeds: oppressive. It could have been somewhat "hidden" within a "cluster", indeed. But it won't be the case, quite the opposite, given its location, it will dominate the London skyline.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #6845
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The problem is that I do not see any any architectural merits in this building. To my opinion it represents the worst of corporate greeds: oppressive. It could have been somewhat "hidden" within a "cluster", indeed. But it won't be the case, quite the opposite, given its location, it will dominate the London skyline.
Why is it necessary for a building to be hidden? Is dominating the skyline a bad thing? After all, St. Paul's did. As did the GPO Tower, as did 30 SMA and 1 Canada Sq.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #6846
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I doubt so. It is a brand new absolutely fantastic building.
So was 5 Broadgate in 1990. Two decades later it has gone.

Space is running out in the Eastern City core. There aren't many redevelopment plots left once the current crop have gone through to the latter half of this decade. Once we get to 2018/19 I can see a handful of the minor early 2000s 'talls' coming up again for bigger space.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #6847
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But it won't be the case, quite the opposite, given its location, it will dominate the London skyline.
And then turn south and something dominates even more.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 01:20 AM   #6848
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Why is it necessary for a building to be hidden? Is dominating the skyline a bad thing? After all, St. Paul's did. As did the GPO Tower, as did 30 SMA and 1 Canada Sq.
But those buildings look reasonably good. This is just Guys Hospital 2.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #6849
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We can clearly see in Chests pic at the top of the page that 20FC is miles away from the cluster.
No more than half a mile at most I would say.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #6850
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No more than half a mile at most I would say.
155 Meters away from the 125m tall Willis Tower. For comparison T42 and 30SMA are 200m apart.


Because I am sad and like making little diagrams to fill in time...

Towers over 100m in the City of London.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:25 AM   #6851
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The problem is that I do not see any any architectural merits in this building. To my opinion it represents the worst of corporate greeds: oppressive. It could have been somewhat "hidden" within a "cluster", indeed. But it won't be the case, quite the opposite, given its location, it will dominate the London skyline.

  • St George Tower
  • The Shard
  • Strata
  • Broadgate Tower
  • Centre Point
  • Euston Tower
  • Millbank Tower
  • The Empress State Building
  • St Paul's

I could probably go on….

These are all standalone buildings to a greater or lesser extent, yet unlike the forever maligned Walkie Talkie, I NEVER hear anyone on here complain about their dominating presence or the terrible damage they cause individually to the Yin and Yang of London's already scrappy skyline.

So what is it about this building (that isn't even built yet) in particular that makes it so damn offensive to so many?

Why do people keep going on about it being so 'isolated' and 'removed' from the City when right across the river is a 309m-tall tower with nothing to keep it company except for a rotting hospital?

Why should it be ‘hidden’?

Why does this one building scare so many of you? The hand-wringing this ******'s causing is fascinating!

And with the utmost respect, Gegloma01, you sound like a total NIMBY. I would have expected such comments from Joe Public, not an SSC user. Do you honestly think this has any less architectural merit or is any more symbolic of corporate greed than the cereal packets of Canary Wharf? Or maybe you don't like them either?
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:58 AM   #6852
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  • St George Tower
  • The Shard
  • Strata
  • Broadgate Tower
  • Centre Point
  • Euston Tower
  • Millbank Tower
I could probably go on….

These are all standalone buildings to a greater or lesser extent, yet unlike the forever maligned Walkie Talkie, I NEVER hear anyone on here complain about their dominating presence or the terrible damage they cause to the ying and yang of London's already scrappy skyline.

So what is it about this building (that isn't even built yet) in particular that makes it so damn offensive to so many?

Why do people keep going on about it being so 'isolated' and 'removed' from the City when right across the river is a 309m-tall tower with nothing to keep it company except for a rotting hospital?

Why should it be ‘hidden’?

Why does this one building scare so many of you? The hand-wringing this ******'s causing is fascinating!

And with the utmost respect, Gegloma01, you sound like a total NIMBY. I would have expected such comments from Joe Public, not an SSC user. Do you honestly think this has any less architectural merit or is any more symbolic of corporate greed than the cereal packets of Canary Wharf? Or maybe you don't like them either?
Well said.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #6853
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No, I am possibly one of the few people here who is not a huge fan of the shard or its location. Nor of Millbank Tower. Or the Barbican. But I like Heron Tower and the Cheesegrater though.
I thought the view from Wimbledon was excellent last night!!

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Old June 27th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #6854
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155 Meters away from the 125m tall Willis Tower. For comparison T42 and 30SMA are 200m apart.


Because I am sad and like making little diagrams to fill in time...

Towers over 100m in the City of London.
Great diagram I'd love to see it expanded to include buildings 70 meters + to get a feel for the density of the city.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #6855
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Well as Eddy K's diagram pointed out, It's not far from the 'cluster' at all..
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #6856
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #6857
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Steel progress from the south side of the river this morning

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Old June 27th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #6858
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In that render, it really does look like the North face is clad in one big slab of glass.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 04:09 PM   #6859
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Now I know what it reminds me of! Been trying to figure it out for ages. Those plastic rainhoods that my mother used to wear.

That's not my mother, obviously.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #6860
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Comparing it to Guy's is a bit ridiculous and I think it's far better looking than the heron. Opinions and that, though.
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