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Old June 14th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #16361
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Wow, June is a busy month for openings
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Old June 14th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #16362
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Radom - Szydłowiec (17.8 km) - rumoured date - next Friday
Where will it connect to DK7?

Because when we drove up to Warszawa on the third of June, there was a field separating the end of S7 and DK7 by Orońsko. I can see them making a connection in like three weeks, but at the same time, it looks rather stupid to build 10 km of motorway around Orońsko which one can't use for another year...
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Old June 14th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #16363
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Where will it connect to DK7?

Because when we drove up to Warszawa on the third of June, there was a field separating the end of S7 and DK7 by Orońsko. I can see them making a connection in like three weeks, but at the same time, it looks rather stupid to build 10 km of motorway around Orońsko which one can't use for another year...
S7 will connect with DK7 just north of Orońsko

What will be more annoying will be the gap in the end of S7 between Szydłowiec and it's start again at Skarżysko-Kamienna
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Old June 14th, 2017, 09:16 PM   #16364
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S7 Radom - Szydłowiec is patiently waiting to be opened.





















source and more: http://skarzysko24.pl/wiadomosci/akt...ajowej-s7.html
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Old June 15th, 2017, 05:42 PM   #16365
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Upcoming road openings.



DK15/25 expressway, bypass of Inowrocław (16.8 km) will probably be opened in July.


Stimmt. Nur DK15/25 ist keine Expressway. Es ist GP Klasse: "droga szybkiego ruchu" (die Schnellvekehrstrasse). Im Englisch thoughway oder clearway.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 06:26 PM   #16366
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2x2 motorway-like road, only without a hard shoulder, is what I call an expressway.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 06:54 PM   #16367
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Originally, the meaning of this sign: / Ursprünglich war die Bedeutung dieses Zeichens:



was exactly / genau "droga szybkiego ruchu".

And it's still so in many countries. / Es ist so weiter in vielen Länder.

In Poland, its meaning got shifted into "expressway". / Seine Bedeutung in Polen wurde zu "Expressstraße" geschoben.

But I believe, most of us agree / Aber glaube ich dass meist von uns stimmt zu
that the current Polish "expressways" / dass die derzeitige Polnische "Expressstraßen"
should be marked as motorways / als Autobahnen gezeichnet werden sollen.

Their standard is almost the same as of motorways, / Seiner Standard is fast gleich wie von Autobahnen,
there are some older motorways (like A4) worse than / es gibt einzige alte Autobahnen (wie A4), die schlechter sind als
the expressways built according to the current standards. / die nach die derzeitige Standards gebaute Expressstraßen.

Also in other countries, e.g. in Germany, / Auch in anderen Länder, wie z.B. Deutschland
many motorways are of lower standards / ist viele Autobahnen von niedrigeren Standards
than the Polish expressways. / als die Polnische Expressstraßen.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 07:14 PM   #16368
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That topic was already discussed and it comes back from time to time especially when someone from outside looks for the first time at polish expressways. And always is the same question why expressways are not a motorways which would practically be as a motorways in any other country. The very short and simplistic answer is: because that would be too easy and would have too much of common sense. Beside, it is about money too. Expressways are toll free for cars, while most parts of motorways either are or will be tolled. Also, in early stages of building motorways in Poland there was a lot of resistance to word "motorway" which was associated with heavy traffic next to residential areas. So that is why we have brake in A2 around Warsaw. Expressway sounds less"heavy" for people so we have S2 in southern Warsaw while there is probably no difference to originally planned A2...
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Old June 16th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #16369
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With the tolls, it's also more about how it sounds than about the reality. According to the Polish law, motorways do not have to be toll roads, expressways also can be toll roads. The fact that it is just so that no expressways in Poland are toll road doesn't mean it's not possible even in the current legal state.

I hope one time someone will decide to resign the Polish expressways (maybe except some older or single-carriageway ones) to motorways.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 12:54 AM   #16370
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and put the tempo 140 sign on them too !
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Old June 18th, 2017, 04:40 AM   #16371
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If Germans have roads with lower standards with tempo infinity, it shouldn't be a problem. Just a matter of putting lower speed limits in the places where it's actually necessary.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:21 PM   #16372
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Bump. I'll steal a little attention from the topic above to post some random pictures of work in progress from Budzisko (LT/PL) to Warszawa.

Pictures are ~2 weeks old. Taken in direction to Warszawa.

1. I'll start with the long awaited Suwałki bypass construction, as it is seen before entering the town from DK8.


2. This is the current situation on the DK8 in Suwałki. Very intense traffic, the road becomes congested due to of high vehicle over-capacity on traffic lights.


3. The new existing connector road from DK8 to S61. I also noticed that Kudowa-Słone is now replaced to Praha.


4. Suwałki bypass construction as seen from the S61.


5. On the S61 from Suwałki to Augustów. Notice the wired crash barriers.


6. I did not photograph the rest of the S61, since I'm sure it has been seen many times on the forum. Besides, Google Street View has also ruined our picture taking business.

7. Now I move on to S8 from Białystok to Warszawa. View towards Białystok.


8. Oh look! A cyclists on the expressway.


9. I believe the temperature is the same now.. Our summer also sucks.


10. Construction of the S8 from Zambrów to Ostrów Maz.


11. New local junction.


12. Old & new.


13. Village bypass.


14. New overpasses..


15. Some parts of the S8 will feature concrete pavement.


16. Different day. This is the start of Marki bypass.


17. The unique tunnels of Warsaw.


18. One of my favorite views when driving on this road.


19. Urban expressway.


20. More tunnels..


21. After Konotopa junction in Warszawa. On the A2 motorway.


The next set of pictures will feature the A1 from the A2 till the Czech border.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #16373
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Wondering who would bike on such a busy and dangerous for bikers expressway especially that there is almost empty parallel service road!
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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #16374
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Wondering who would bike on such a busy and dangerous for bikers expressway especially that there is almost empty parallel service road!
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a local gentleman. Why would you put a great effort on a hilly road, if there's a flat expressway next to it.

Also, I did not capture this, there were hitchhikers on the same expressway as well, but the only vehicle that stopped for them, was a police cruiser.
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but the only vehicle that stopped for them, was a police cruiser.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 07:50 PM   #16376
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Ok, here is the second branch of pictures.

Starting where I left off, on the A2.

1. Approaching the 3rd 'motorway X motorway' cross in Poland; Łódź-Połnoc (Lodz-North) near Stryków (many drivers are familiar with this name ).


2. The A1 motorway connects one of the most populated areas located in Southern Poland with Northern Poland, precisely port-city Gdańsk, located next to the Baltic Sea. Here we are taking a turn in South direction (Katowice).


3. On the ramp. View towards Poznań direction.


4. This is the most recent opened segment on the A1. Along the 3rd largest city of Łódź, it is concrete paved. Also, notice the added exit destination on the sign.


5. Numbered exit sign. I'm guessing this is the long-promised standart in action here.


6. New signage.


7. Junction with the S8 expressway to Wrocław.


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9. Dang! Exactly 500 km to Lithuania.


10. The first and oldest segment of the A1 motorway, and the classy blue&white railing from the 80's.

Dat Škoda!

The motorway ends after Piotrków Tryb., and the dual-carriageway asigned as the DK1 starts, it heads all the way to Katowice. Another segment of the A1 is under construction around Częstochowa city.

11. I skip to Katowice. This is the main connector road from the DK1 to the A1 (since Częstochowa bypass is missing).


12. View towards Częstochowa (U/C).


13. Joined the A1.


14. A lot of industry around the Katowice area. Poland is one of the top coal mining nations.


15. Start of a short 2x3 section.


16.


17. Even though the road looks smooth. At some places it was bumpy as hell, that's why there are such signs installed.


18. George Orwell's interpretation continues. 2x2 back.


19. Dem curves.


20. Approaching the largest junction God has ever seen - Sośnica węzeł (A1xA4xDK44).


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22. View towards the A4 motorway in Wrocław direction.


23.


24. MOP Rowień Wschód in distance.


25. Interesting choice of color for the pillars.


26. This bridge doesn't look that huge as it was in reality.


27. And the last photo before the border.. is blurry.


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Upcoming road openings.
There is one more section of S7 motorway I forgot about.

Ostróda-South - Rychnowo, about 10 km long.
Planned opening date - end of July (though it could be delayed till August)
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20. Approaching the largest junction God has ever seen - Sośnica węzeł (A1xA4xDK44).
I wouldn't make fun of that. For Poles it is the biggest intersection - the center of motorway universe in Poland
Seriously, nice to read comments from drivers from outside...
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I wouldn't make fun of that. For Poles it is the biggest intersection - the center of motorway universe in Poland
Seriously, nice to read comments from drivers from outside...
It ain't no centre. Łódź Północ junction is the centre.
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I wouldn't make fun of that. For Poles it is the biggest intersection - the center of motorway universe in Poland
I'm aware of that. My comment wasn't intended to offend someone, as I like Poland. I just added a little humorous approach, just for the fun read.

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Seriously, nice to read comments from drivers from outside...
Thanks! But this time around I was the passenger. Yeah, I like to share my personal knowledge to others, especially since this is an international forum. You, Poles, seen/driven these roads a gazillion times (yes, I lurk the Polish subsection ), but the reason I'm posting these pictures, is that You get to see the perspective of a foreigner, which I personally like, when someone from abroad posts something about Latvia, Jelgava.. But the comments are for other people abroad, as I said, international forum (4 mio views for this thread!) with a diverse audience, that are somewhat introduced to this country/roads.
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