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Old September 6th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #15621
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Then why do Chase Center and Milwaukee Bucks Arena have threads in "Under Construction"? Both are under 20,000.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 04:15 PM   #15622
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Then why do Chase Center and Milwaukee Bucks Arena have threads in "Under Construction"? Both are under 20,000.
Arenas get a pass.

Unless it's for most college basketball gyms or if they're under 10k, multi-purpose arenas get their own threads.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 04:17 PM   #15623
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Yup the limit for Stadia is 20k, Arenas is 10k.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 10:38 PM   #15624
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We do have a thread for it and the surrounding development in the Minneapolis/St. Paul sub forum.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1860505
Ahh ok. Thanks for that, at least i know i can follow the progress.

Hopefully it has some sort of expansion in the future.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 01:19 AM   #15625
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2026 World Cup stadiums have been whittled down to a list of 41. Calgary, Green Bay and San Diego all drop out.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017...orld-cup-hosts

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Old September 8th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #15626
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Anyone know why they would remove pics I posted? It was just pictures of Mercedes Benz stadium.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 01:39 AM   #15627
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Anyone know why they would remove pics I posted? It was just pictures of Mercedes Benz stadium.
This thread is for stadiums with a capacity under 20,000. Mercedes Benz Stadium has its own thread in the completed section.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 03:13 AM   #15628
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This thread is for stadiums with a capacity under 20,000. Mercedes Benz Stadium has its own thread in the completed section.
Lol, oops.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 12:27 AM   #15629
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MLS attendance thru the 26th week of the 2017 season...

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Old September 13th, 2017, 05:17 AM   #15630
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I don't know much about the history of MLS attendances, but those numbers look pretty healthy to me.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:30 AM   #15631
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7935821.html

Do Inglewood and LV (among others) count as soccer stadiums? They may soon, as La Liga announces it is looking into playing league matches outside the US.

As has been mentioned in other threads, Inglewood and LV have been rumored to be discussing the possibility of having a regular series of matches or tournaments including not just La Liga but the Italian, Mexican and Chinese leagues as well. LV in particular will have the ability to move between grass and artificial turf quickly so it sounds like a nice potential source of income for Mark and the Raiders.

It will also be interesting if the Premier League will want to fight this or join in and share in the profits that both the US and China promise. MLS will have to look at the implications as well and start to generate match-ups that have broad appeal.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 10:03 AM   #15632
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Do Inglewood and LV (among others) count as soccer stadiums? They may soon, as La Liga announces it is looking into playing league matches outside the US.

As has been mentioned in other threads, Inglewood and LV have been rumored to be discussing the possibility of having a regular series of matches or tournaments including not just La Liga but the Italian, Mexican and Chinese leagues as well. LV in particular will have the ability to move between grass and artificial turf quickly so it sounds like a nice potential source of income for Mark and the Raiders.

It will also be interesting if the Premier League will want to fight this or join in and share in the profits that both the US and China promise. MLS will have to look at the implications as well and start to generate match-ups that have broad appeal.
Any official games would need approval from the USSF. But you knew that being a soccer fan at all...
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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:13 PM   #15633
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a7935821.html

Do Inglewood and LV (among others) count as soccer stadiums? They may soon, as La Liga announces it is looking into playing league matches outside the US.

As has been mentioned in other threads, Inglewood and LV have been rumored to be discussing the possibility of having a regular series of matches or tournaments including not just La Liga but the Italian, Mexican and Chinese leagues as well. LV in particular will have the ability to move between grass and artificial turf quickly so it sounds like a nice potential source of income for Mark and the Raiders.

It will also be interesting if the Premier League will want to fight this or join in and share in the profits that both the US and China promise. MLS will have to look at the implications as well and start to generate match-ups that have broad appeal.
I can only see this happening as part of a 39th matchday. In that case it would just be a friendly. Either way, there aren't that many teams that are supported worldwide. It's Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, and to a lesser extent Atlético Madrid that are popular outside of Spain. Sticking to the current model of friendly tournaments like the International Champions Cup is probably more profitable than playing 10 matches in one weekend of which only 3 are going to generate some interest. Barely anyone in Spain cares about matches like Getafe - Espanyol, let alone in the US or China.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #15634
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I can only see this happening as part of a 39th matchday. In that case it would just be a friendly. Either way, there aren't that many teams that are supported worldwide. It's Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, and to a lesser extent Atlético Madrid that are popular outside of Spain. Sticking to the current model of friendly tournaments like the International Champions Cup is probably more profitable than playing 10 matches in one weekend of which only 3 are going to generate some interest. Barely anyone in Spain cares about matches like Getafe - Espanyol, let alone in the US or China.
The 39th match concept from a few years back has been discarded; these are standard league matches with perhaps friendlies mixed in.

For sure Barca and RM are the spearhead; those are the chips that La Liga brings to the table. The US brings a huge audience; the NFL brings NY, LA, LV and other stadiums.

The idea is to take a couple of other leagues (Italy, Mexico, China) and bring in their top teams plus a couple on the next level down and try to create a fan base. See what the NFL has done in London.

For example, Barca, Juventus, 2-6 other Sp/It/Mex/Chn sides play a series of league and friendly matches in LA, LV, SF. You hope to attract foreign visitors plus build a fan base for the non-US sides.

Interesting to see how MLS reacts, as well as the UK, Germany and France if they are not included.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #15635
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I think friendlies are enough to attract the US fan base without pissing off the foreigners too much. I can't see locals in Barcalona or Madrid being content with loosing one or two home games a season. I don't know why you include the Chinese league in there. It is nowhere near the following of even the French or Dutch Leagues in the US.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:47 PM   #15636
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I think friendlies are enough to attract the US fan base without pissing off the foreigners too much. I can't see locals in Barcalona or Madrid being content with loosing one or two home games a season. I don't know why you include the Chinese league in there. It is nowhere near the following of even the French or Dutch Leagues in the US.
I think fans in Europe and especially players are quite pissed off with pre season tours outside Europe. Regular game outside country rather impossible.

Since you are from Atlanta can you tell what are roots of high attendance in Atlanta?
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:51 PM   #15637
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I think friendlies are enough to attract the US fan base without pissing off the foreigners too much. I can't see locals in Barcalona or Madrid being content with loosing one or two home games a season. I don't know why you include the Chinese league in there. It is nowhere near the following of even the French or Dutch Leagues in the US.
Just to be clear, this is not my thinking: this is the European league people, NFL people, LV casino owners and other investors talking.

China is in because it has the money committed to dwarf any other league in 20 years. They also have 300M people ready to come to matches in LA, SF or LV and spend money (or drop 100k at the tables).
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I think friendlies are enough to attract the US fan base without pissing off the foreigners too much. I can't see locals in Barcalona or Madrid being content with loosing one or two home games a season. I don't know why you include the Chinese league in there. It is nowhere near the following of even the French or Dutch Leagues in the US.
This is especially relevant, because those clubs are fan-owned by the local supporters.

Away matches could be a possibility, if enough of the profits are shared with the smaller clubs. But then you'll get the big clubs questioning why they have to travel huge distances to play matches for which the profits are shared, while they are the only teams supporters are interested in. The travel also hurts their chances in the domestic and European leagues.

Next to those rational arguments I also just hate the idea. Spain's football clubs should play in Spain, Italy's in Italy etc. Pre-season friendlies, sure, but I would really dislike clubs selling their souls even further.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 08:20 PM   #15639
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Since you are from Atlanta can you tell what are roots of high attendance in Atlanta?
It's going so well I am weary of questioning why. Its the new thing in town to do, there are a lot of soccer fans all ready, and we are a good size metro are some reasons, but I don't know if that explains our success vs other cities. I really hope that the support doesn't fade dramatically next year or the years after that.
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This is especially relevant, because those clubs are fan-owned by the local supporters.

Away matches could be a possibility, if enough of the profits are shared with the smaller clubs. But then you'll get the big clubs questioning why they have to travel huge distances to play matches for which the profits are shared, while they are the only teams supporters are interested in. The travel also hurts their chances in the domestic and European leagues.

Next to those rational arguments I also just hate the idea. Spain's football clubs should play in Spain, Italy's in Italy etc. Pre-season friendlies, sure, but I would really dislike clubs selling their souls even further.
It is unfortunate, but the dominance of the Premier League and the size of the US and Chinese markets can't be ignored. The smaller leagues cannot condemn themselves to a permanent third class status without some effort to avoid it. Joining forces and exploiting major markets seems like the only real choice.
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