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Old August 17th, 2007, 06:37 PM   #1
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You can't go east or west...when you are north

I brought this up on one of the threads in the Midwest forum but thought it would be appropriate to really discuss here.

Did you ever notice what a disaster the North Shore/North Suburban/Northwest suburban area is for east-west traffic?

There is not a single major expressway that goes east and west through the region...all traffic (Edens, Tri-State, 53) travels north or south.

There are no good major streets that can take you east-west in the area. They are limited by the bridges that cross the Des Plaines River as well as constrantly being under construction due to heavy usage:

Dempster, Golf, Lake, Willow/Palatine, Dundee, Lake Cook, Half Day, etc....all disasters.

Do others in these three sections of suburbia (or those who have to drive in the area) agree that it was a pretty lousy job of planning that created this mess of no east-west highways????
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Old August 17th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #2
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Not really. There are a half-dozen good, wide state highways plus Lake-Cook Rd. running east-west every three miles or so. Palatine Rd. was built as a "junior expressway" for much of its length.

"Planning" recognizes that Chicago benefits by having a strong central city from which commuting generally radiates, rather than a polynucleated metropolis like Los Angeles crisscrossed by a gridiron of freeways.
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Old August 17th, 2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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Extending the Eden's Extention westward is possible is an idea, but those huge E-W avenues are very wide in length, they can hold traffic more so that they can do now.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 03:39 AM   #4
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Good point Edge, another area that could use an expressway is one that heads west from the 290 going through Wheaton-West Chicago-St. Charles.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 04:12 AM   #5
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Not really. There are a half-dozen good, wide state highways plus Lake-Cook Rd. running east-west every three miles or so. Palatine Rd. was built as a "junior expressway" for much of its length.

"Planning" recognizes that Chicago benefits by having a strong central city from which commuting generally radiates, rather than a polynucleated metropolis like Los Angeles crisscrossed by a gridiron of freeways.
Palatine is a disaster. It may be a "jr. expy"...but it has stoplights that negate any gain. actually, the express section is extremely short...from Sanders to Buffalo Grove Road
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Old August 18th, 2007, 05:41 AM   #6
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It once took me an hour and half to get to Lincolnshire from Highland Park using Half Day Rd. This was the moment when I forever converted to anti-automobilism.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #7
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It once took me an hour and half to get to Lincolnshire from Highland Park using Half Day Rd. This was the moment when I forever converted to anti-automobilism.
Half Day Road in Lincolnshire has offically been changed from a construction project to an eternal construction zone. If I am not mistaken, they started the current project about the same time Henry Ford's first Model T rolled off the assembly line.

You got to feel for all those Stevenson high school kids, each with two cars of his own, having to drive to campus every day!
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Old August 18th, 2007, 04:29 PM   #8
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Well, my experience on LakeCook road, when my parents drive it... almost no traffic after 8pm, everytime, when we are on it.

Do you guys think that Lake County is the largest county (in population) with only 1 interstate?
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Old August 18th, 2007, 05:33 PM   #9
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Well, my experience on LakeCook road, when my parents drive it... almost no traffic after 8pm, everytime, when we are on it.

Do you guys think that Lake County is the largest county (in population) with only 1 interstate?
nationally?
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Old August 18th, 2007, 05:34 PM   #10
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Yes?
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Old August 18th, 2007, 11:09 PM   #11
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it could be worse. how about marin county across the Golden Gate from San Francisco with NO interstate highways, except for I-580 traffic being carried by the Richmond-San Rafeal Bridge from East Bay.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 04:36 AM   #12
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Ventura County, California, pop. 800,000. No interstate.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 07:01 PM   #13
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I brought this up on one of the threads in the Midwest forum but thought it would be appropriate to really discuss here.

Did you ever notice what a disaster the North Shore/North Suburban/Northwest suburban area is for east-west traffic?

There is not a single major expressway that goes east and west through the region...all traffic (Edens, Tri-State, 53) travels north or south.

There are no good major streets that can take you east-west in the area. They are limited by the bridges that cross the Des Plaines River as well as constrantly being under construction due to heavy usage:

Dempster, Golf, Lake, Willow/Palatine, Dundee, Lake Cook, Half Day, etc....all disasters.

Do others in these three sections of suburbia (or those who have to drive in the area) agree that it was a pretty lousy job of planning that created this mess of no east-west highways????
I think it is a blessing and obvious what the people in Lake County want. They understand what interstate freeways and tollways bring....more traffic and more decay. Again yiou show you true suburban stripes...lol.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 04:06 AM   #14
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I think it is a blessing and obvious what the people in Lake County want. They understand what interstate freeways and tollways bring....more traffic and more decay. Again yiou show you true suburban stripes...lol.
didn't know i had them...love chicago and the suburbs. chicago even more so.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:34 AM   #15
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Ventura County, California, pop. 800,000. No interstate.
Though technically not labeled as an interstate, US 101 is an interstate for all practical purposes, at least until you get to San Francisco.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:37 AM   #16
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I think it is a blessing and obvious what the people in Lake County want. They understand what interstate freeways and tollways bring....more traffic and more decay. Again yiou show you true suburban stripes...lol.
Calm down. At the heart of any good city is a good system of roads. They don't have to be tolled or limited-access, but they need to carry traffic efficiently. This is a severe problem facing the growth of Lake County.

Anyways, I can't really think of a good solution to the problem. Studies need to be done to establish WHY traffic is so bad, and where all of the traffic is going to and coming from. I doubt that all of the traffic is converging on one single point. Commuter A might drive from Lake Zurich to Highland Park via Half Day, and Commuter B might drive from Park Ridge to Evanston via Dempster, but according to you, they both contribute to the same problem.

One single highway will only lessen traffic on maybe 2 or 3 of the E/W roads you mention.

The poor planning was made by the guys who thought the Northwest Corridor and the North Shore would never coalesce.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 12:49 PM   #17
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Though technically not labeled as an interstate, US 101 is an interstate for all practical purposes, at least until you get to San Francisco.
....where it becomes a street!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 12:57 PM   #18
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Calm down. At the heart of any good city is a good system of roads. They don't have to be tolled or limited-access, but they need to carry traffic efficiently. This is a severe problem facing the growth of Lake County.

Anyways, I can't really think of a good solution to the problem. Studies need to be done to establish WHY traffic is so bad, and where all of the traffic is going to and coming from. I doubt that all of the traffic is converging on one single point. Commuter A might drive from Lake Zurich to Highland Park via Half Day, and Commuter B might drive from Park Ridge to Evanston via Dempster, but according to you, they both contribute to the same problem.

One single highway will only lessen traffic on maybe 2 or 3 of the E/W roads you mention.

The poor planning was made by the guys who thought the Northwest Corridor and the North Shore would never coalesce.
Points all well taken.

Again the real problem: no east/west expressway loads major east/west arteries with traffic. Traffic is so heavy that these routes are constantly in need of repaving and reconstruction. The Des Plaines River severely limits the availability and even the access to the major arteries. East west roads are subject to bottlenecks: Willow narrows to one lane east of Sunset Ridge, Lake Cook's heavy traffic loses a lane westward between Milwaukee and 83, Dundee bunches up in the most intensely developed parts of Wheeling, Half Day is under permanent construction, Lake/Euclid can't handle the insection at Waukegan and narrows west of Rand.

Solutions are few. The best one I can think of (although it won't make a massive difference, but would help) would be more bridges crossing the Des Plaines on major roads. Unfortunately those major roads are not in the category of Dempster or Willow or Lake Cook and the local communities on either side of the river may not be able to accomodate that much increase in traffic.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 04:38 PM   #19
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The question posed was no interstate, which has a specific technical meaning.

Most populous counties with no limited-access, grade-separated freeways of any kind:
Sussex Co., DE (Georgetown) 177,000
Bay Co., FL (Panama City) 162,000
Monroe Co., IN (Bloomington) 123,000
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Calm down. At the heart of any good city is a good system of roads. They don't have to be tolled or limited-access, but they need to carry traffic efficiently. This is a severe problem facing the growth of Lake County.

Anyways, I can't really think of a good solution to the problem. Studies need to be done to establish WHY traffic is so bad, and where all of the traffic is going to and coming from. I doubt that all of the traffic is converging on one single point. Commuter A might drive from Lake Zurich to Highland Park via Half Day, and Commuter B might drive from Park Ridge to Evanston via Dempster, but according to you, they both contribute to the same problem.

One single highway will only lessen traffic on maybe 2 or 3 of the E/W roads you mention.

The poor planning was made by the guys who thought the Northwest Corridor and the North Shore would never coalesce.
Not excited. Just didn't want to pussy foot around this "pro-highway" rally. Some of us are think freeways/highways make a city healthy and some of us feel that they can kill cities like we have seen over and over again historically in this country. So don't try thinking you will ever get either side to agree with one another. This has been discussed over and over again...and the sides have pretty much stated their points and supported them often.

And you are wrong
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