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Old February 10th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #41
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That's a false comparison. What was there before is largely irrelevant for obvious reasons. What could be there instead of a wall of fencing is what's at issue.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #42
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I have an idea! Let's all pool our money together and buy a piece of land. We'll build some retail space.

It's fool-proof! Who's in?
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Old February 10th, 2012, 03:23 PM   #43
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Let's buy those two lots on the south side of Kennedy, right there on the river.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #44
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Once again, I cannot think of any university that builds street retail into its residence halls. It is asking for lawsuits - most have the campus on one side of the street and retails grows up on the other side.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #45
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^Just in case it matters, I wasn't suggesting that UT do that. I was suggesting they leave frontage that is something like 60-75-100ft deep along Kennedy, lease it to developers of their choosing, and then have a security fence IN BETWEEN the developments fronting Kennedy, and the UT residence halls behind.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 12:51 AM   #46
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Who says this is going to be another residence hall though? This could be just an administrator building.... a one story walled in administrator building.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #47
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Everything UT has put up has been a vast improvement over what was there before.
Better than the Myelvaron Hotel? Crescent Hotel? Casino? Boat House?

Really?
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Old February 11th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #48
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^Just in case it matters, I wasn't suggesting that UT do that. I was suggesting they leave frontage that is something like 60-75-100ft deep along Kennedy, lease it to developers of their choosing, and then have a security fence IN BETWEEN the developments fronting Kennedy, and the UT residence halls behind.
That does matter. It is an interesting idea, but I would bet the city code would doom that plan with all the requirements, plus the inability to use the land.

I would take an admin building with retail in the bottom. From what they have done recently, there is a pretty good chance that it will not be a one story building. UT is private, so politicians have no say, and UT is not TGH.

Frankly, the wall notwithstanding, UT has done more to urbanize/add density to Kennedy near downtown than anyone else. At least it is putting thousands of people just across the river from downtown in 8-12 story buildings. Just imaging what would be there if it was left to developers and the city government.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 06:07 AM   #49
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Great point smiley! We should be pleased that UT has taken a lead in density residences instead of bemoaning the loss of a string of blighted and unattractive motels. FYI - security is a huge issue today in campus planning today (especially since the Columbine [I know it's a high school] and the Virginia Tech shootings). Students (and their parents) want to make sure they are safe. You can make all sorts of logical arguments about this, but fundamentally this is an emotional issue that is driving school planning in our times.
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That does matter. It is an interesting idea, but I would bet the city code would doom that plan with all the requirements, plus the inability to use the land.
And more to the point, why would they go through all of that, when there's nobody suggesting to them that they do something to make their neighborhood a better neighborhood. They get the opposite, a standing invitation that the city will negate any development rules that encumber UT's prerogatives.

I wish that the prerogatives of everyone else were equally valued, not just self-entitled special interests with political connections.


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I would take an admin building with retail in the bottom. From what they have done recently, there is a pretty good chance that it will not be a one story building. UT is private, so politicians have no say, and UT is not TGH.
I have no clue what they're planning... If it's an admin/faculty building, it could indeed be a 1-3 story single-use building with surface parking (honestly what I expect)... Or maybe they consolidate all admin functions of any kind to this site, and do something that's in the 4-7 floor range which has a little prefab garage that's as cheap to build as they can get it. A building to that scale could support a ground floor cafe, but that's probably about it. I wouldn't see anything bigger/taller being built unless they've decided that making students walk across several blocks that aren't secured is ok.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #51
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It's hard to guess what they will do, because up until this point there hasn't been much rhyme or reason to their decision-making, especially with regards to security. For example, the hall south of Kennedy is all buckled up, but the other dorms are pretty much all accessible. Even the new residence hall about to go up - from the image, it will have fencing along Kennedy, but the entrance is along the Brevard side... so, it's not like anything is being secured.
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Old February 12th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #52
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The security is to not have non-university people going into the dorm buildings. If you have stores, you are opening the buildings to random outsiders. It is a simple idea that is replicated at most dorms I have ever seen.
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Not to mention that you just don't walk into most dorms anymore. You either have some type of door security/front desk personnel or a FOB secured entrance.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 03:19 PM   #54
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Yet for some reason we still need decorative fences along Kennedy.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #55
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Considering that you have many areas of the campus that anyone can really enter the campus and travel around, I don't see the need for additional fencing. The fence that already exist along Kennedy is fine because it's been there for a while and does look nice, I won't discredit that. But to surround the whole campus with it or even have copycat-like designs like TGH was doing across the street is ridiculous when you are properly trying to plan a corridor like Kennedy to be more urban. You're going to have one dead zone along Kennedy on the north side if everything from the CSX tracks to the river is nothing but fenced in UT buildings.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #57
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University of Tampa to build new athletics complex


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Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 11:43am EDT


The University of Tampa plans to build a student intramural and athletic field and stadium on the west side of its campus.

R.R. Simmons of Tampa has been named to build the facility, a written statement said.

The new facility is being funded in part by Tampa’s Naimoli family and will be named the Naimoli Family Athletic and Intramural Complex. Vince Naimoli, founding partner of the Tampa Bay Rays , is a chair emeritus of the UT board of trustees.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #59
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The architect should have been honest and omitted the peds from the rendering. lol
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Old March 27th, 2012, 06:01 PM   #60
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Talk about a university not taking advantage of location. With limited space for growth and a downtown at their front door, they should not be concerned with faux-security fences, instead designing quality buildings that engage an active streetwall.

Look to Tulane for inspiration -- they are in a similar setting. Flagler College is another (and doing it better).
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