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Old December 5th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #81
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Oxford Exchange is amazing already been there a handful of times, certainly a gem for the City of Tampa and architecturally it's stunning. However, I find the food to be a bit pricy for the quantity you actually get, but I guess the prices fit in with the surrounding demographics so I doubt they will change them. Also I really think they need to expand the hours, closing at 5ish just baffles me, especially when you have 7,000 UT students right at your doorstep. And Sunday , why are they closed on Sunday?
They have some problems with the church next door which is why they don't have any alcohol (and thus not open at night, a nice restaurant for dinner without alcohol is doomed) and is also probably why they're not open on Sunday. Nothing that can't be worked out though, they have the hard part done.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #82
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yeah those gigantic pole look horrible, nothing like a giant net for the "gateway to downtown"
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Old December 5th, 2012, 04:26 AM   #83
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They have some problems with the church next door which is why they don't have any alcohol (and thus not open at night, a nice restaurant for dinner without alcohol is doomed) and is also probably why they're not open on Sunday. Nothing that can't be worked out though, they have the hard part done.
Is the problem specifically with the alcohol do you know? And perhaps not have the restaurant stay open later, but the coffee and tea bars and lounges I'm sure it would be used regularly by UT students, same for Sunday morning coffee and tea and or brunch.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #84
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Might be a parking sharing issue.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #85
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Might be a parking sharing issue.
The church issues are both parking and alcohol as far as I know.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #86
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Makes sense.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #87
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Makes sense, the two kind of go hand in hand. Sound like if they were to have alcohol, the church wouldn't allow parking at their lot.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #88
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Makes sense, the two kind of go hand in hand. Sound like if they were to have alcohol, the church wouldn't allow parking at their lot.
I don't think that's the issue. Churches have a weird effect on wet zoning, left over from earlier days. It's counted as a "community use" which has to be listed in the application. They also can stymie the application.

http://fl-hillsboroughcounty.civicpl.../Home/View/445
"This is to certify that a visual inspection has been made of all property for the following existing community uses: church/synagogues, schools, child care centers, public libraries, community recreational facilities and parks within a 500-foot straight-line distance from the property site. An inspection of the proposed special use structure from residentially zoned property have been made and is indicated in a straight-line distance as required for the specific Alcoholic Beverage Permit classification. In the case where an Alcoholic Beverage Permit classification requires that certain types of existing alcoholic beverage uses within a 1,000-foot straight-line distance from the proposed structure be indicated as defined in the Land Development Code, an inspection has been made and the findings indicated on the survey."
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Old December 18th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #89
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At this week's council meeting, UT is going to ask to vacate part of the easement along North A, presumably to expand the garage east of N. Boulevard.

So, we can look forward to some more dead space along there...
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Old December 19th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #90
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Does anyone know how big UT is going to get? It seems like they keep growing, but are they increasing enrollment as well?
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Old December 19th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #91
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Enrollment continues to go up every semester and just eclipsed 7,000 students. Although I think eventually everything will begin to plateau, mainly because they are running out of room. UT's natural borders are; the river, Cass, the railroads and Kennedy and they, for they most part have used all of that land, the only thing they will really be able to do is build up rather than out to meet future growth.

One problem they have is they are accepting to much kids, for the infrastructure they currently have. They still use the HoJo and this year used every floor, they lack classroom space, parking spaces, cafeteria/dinning options, etc,.

I think UT will never grow past 10,000 students, just because they lack space...unless they decide to buy up more land to the west of the tracks.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #92
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UT's natural borders are; the river, Cass, the railroads and Kennedy and they, for they most part have used all of that land, the only thing they will really be able to do is build up rather than out to meet future growth.
And they could very easily do that if they chose to. All of the old exhibit space from the fairgrounds could be redeveloped into multi-story over the existing footprint, which would give them more classroom/dorm space than they could possibly fill in the foreseeable future.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 07:18 PM   #93
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Very easily, it's just how big do they want to be? I do know that the space where the current (soon to be old intramural field is), the one next to the soccer stadium is visioned to be 2 buildings of 5-6 story classrooms/office space and another building similar to the Sykes business building on that space of land too.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 11:44 PM   #94
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They need to build a 30 story dorm on the river with some decent architecture. Not just the same old brown/beige boxes.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:15 AM   #95
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I think UT is about the last entity I would want building along the river.

Here's the garage:



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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:31 AM   #96
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They need to build a 30 story dorm on the river with some decent architecture. Not just the same old brown/beige boxes.
I doubt we would ever see anything of significant height from UT along the river. I would think too many people would complain it would ruin the view of Plant Hall, from Curtis Hixon Park and downtown in general. They do have some very old and decrepit dorms, two of which are along the river, but I doubt they build anything of great height as a replacement.

Interesting that they are expanding the garage like that. I wonder why they didn't just expand upwards and save that land for something else in the future like another dorm.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 04:15 AM   #97
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Thanks for the pic. Did they mention what would be going at the corner?
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 04:32 AM   #98
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UT doesn't own that... for good or bad.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:26 AM   #99
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They'll own it eventually. Either they'll wait for it to be put on the market or throw a money sign in front of the owner. I believe its only Amscot that exists there.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 05:10 PM   #100
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I guess I need to correct myself! I just looked and UT purchased the property on the corner about three weeks ago.
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