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Old June 30th, 2016, 05:04 AM   #121
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Times article has some other bits of info:

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It (Related Urban) was chosen from among six firms that bid for the project.
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Board members on Wednesday also awarded the contract for construction of two other West River apartment buildings worth an estimated $40 million each to Bank of America Community Development Corp.
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Financing for the projects will come from a variety of sources including private equity, community development block grants, and an application for a $30 million Choice Neighborhood grant, which was submitted by the city this week, Moore said

If that grant is successful, demolition of the existing public housing could begin in 2017 with construction starting the following year, Moore said.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/...n-west/2283539
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Old July 1st, 2016, 02:54 PM   #122
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BTW, the plan got an update in February. Here is the updated packet:

http://www.tampagov.net/sites/defaul...al_low_res.pdf

It includes several renderings I can get up later.

Some interesting notes:

- There seems to be two proposals, one involves keeping the elementary and middle school where they are now, the other would move them directly next to Blake. The plan that moves the schools is labeled as "ideal buildout" while the one that leaves the schools where they are is called "neighborhood choice"
- The unit count is up to 2,562 for neighborhood choice or 2,640 for ideal buildout
- It appears some retail was taken out of Main St. in favor of more retail being on the river
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Old July 1st, 2016, 11:04 PM   #123
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 12:14 AM   #124
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How is the value of the land accounted for to the taxpayers exactly?
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 05:18 AM   #125
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taxed value is $0 as you know. Real value is probably closer to a 1/2 to 1 million minimum a year in taxes for the city, my a guess btw. The New const will have the same problem. How much is Sec 8 and Mrkt?

Land value with the buwildings on it was $0. But this clears up everything around it for development.

Value of the land in a private investor? A LOT more!
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Old July 6th, 2016, 08:54 PM   #126
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There is no Sec8. It's all 80/120, which I personally don't even consider affordable housing. The people who qualify for 80/120 are in my opinion, 'better' people than the general public. As in, I would rather have them living next door than the typical renter of a market rate apartment.

But my question is, this is clearly a situation where the land is desired, it would sell on the open market nooo problem. I'm asking, does anyone know off the top of their heads the nature of the deal, how taxpayers recoup their costs and to what extent?
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Old July 6th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #127
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Good question Jason, but I'm not sure how to answer off the top of my head. You're getting at some of the sticking points in your post, though: 1) what's affordability, and what's the value of that to the city? 2) what value would be created by taking a different approach (eg, selling the land and letting the market build what it wants, or allowing for more lux development in exchange for more affordability, etc). When in doubt, think through counterfacturals.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is whether or not infrastructure here is being designed to address sea level rise. IIRC the area is sea walled now, but it looks like the plan is to create more of a living shoreline, at least in the park area. Not a bad idea, but it would be wise to design it -- and the underlying grid infrastructure -- with forward-looking water management practices and systems in mind. No reason to not be designing on a 50 year horizon here, where we're very likely to see about 2' of rise.

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Old July 6th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #128
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Exactly WHERE is Ricks on The River included in this plan??? I hope they can stay put, I would miss that place.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 11:29 PM   #129
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Exactly WHERE is Ricks on The River included in this plan??? I hope they can stay put, I would miss that place.
Far as I can tell, it's still there. Look on the site plan at the grey carve out area 2/3 up the river.

Great place. Hope it stays. (Could do with less surface parking on the water, or at least something green/permeable for shared use.)
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Old July 7th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #130
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[QUOTE=Jasonhouse;133933597]There is no Sec8. It's all 80/120, which I personally don't even consider affordable housing. The people who qualify for 80/120 are in my opinion, 'better' people than the general public. As in, I would rather have them living next door than the typical renter of a market rate apartment.


Hey Jason, what exactly is "80/120"?
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:59 PM   #131
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Hey Jason, what exactly is "80/120"?
80-120% of the Area Median Income.

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Old July 7th, 2016, 09:36 PM   #132
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So 820 rental units for households below 80% AMI (considered low-income) and 30% of the for-sale units for households below 120% AMI (considered moderate income). My guess is the affordable units will get built using low-income housing tax credits, with some units reserved for placed-based vouchers. And the city will probably devote SHIP funds for down-payment assistance specifically to this project for those moderate-income buyers.
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Old July 8th, 2016, 12:13 AM   #133
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Yeah Ricks is still there, the grey part surrounded on all sides by this project in the site plan.
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Once set for demolition, Mary Bethune apartments may rise above West River
Christopher O'DonnellChristopher O'Donnell, Times Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:00am

TAMPA — The Mary Bethune High Rise Apartments provided low-cost housing for Tampa seniors for 50 years before it was scheduled for a date with a wrecking ball.

Demolition of the apartments and of the sprawling North Boulevard Homes public housing project was to make way for the West River project, the authority's ambitious plan to revitalize the area west of the Hillsborough River with a walkable community.

Now, the aging eight-story apartment tower block close to Interstate 275 in downtown Tampa may have won a reprieve.

Tampa Housing Authority officials now say they are planning an extensive rehabilitation of the 1966 building to again provide senior housing and they plan to modify the West River plan to accommodate it, said Leroy Moore, Housing Authority chief operating officer.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 07:10 PM   #135
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^Good move, especially since the building is taller than what they were going to replace it with.

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It would also give West River an eight-story building that enjoys views of the Tampa skyline to the south and Raymond James Stadium and the Hillsborough River to the north. The original West River plan has mostly five-story buildings.
Hopefully the renovation includes retail in the bottom.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 08:25 PM   #136
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I hope this stays. While I think it's a pretty ugly building, cities are better when they have a mix of architecture showing their history. I doubt though it would look much like it does now and would probably incorporate more into the overall design of the new buildings so it doesn't stick out so much.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 09:12 PM   #137
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I don't have much hope that they will do much more than redo the insides a little and add a fresh layer of paint. The building is ugly. Retouch the paint job and it will still be ugly. This is an authority that gave us what is currently planned for the West Bank, does anyone actually think they will save this building and add retail and make this a true urban building? I won't be surprised if they add even more surface parking than what currently exists for the apartments.

I would had not shed a tear to see this building meet the wrecking ball, shame it won't.
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This will never have any retail although the mid 60's architecture will be an easy transition to the modern styles we see happening, similar to Channelside...
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I think it's good they're keeping it. Will probably be the tallest building in the neighborhood.

And at $70k per unit, I guarantee I could make this place look cooler.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 11:11 PM   #140
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The old wastewater building on Rome was torn down today to make way for this project

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...-room-for.html
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