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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #61
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"But I believe we will be moving dirt next summer and cranes will in the air a year from now." - direct quote from Vinick, per Rich Mullins of TBO.com

So, cranes for the proposed hotel, sure. Not a big stretch. But what are the odds of starting construction on either the USF Med School or the proposed corporate HQ tower in 2015? It was my understanding that several factors and steps have to fall in place before either project goes vertical, both of which will likely take more than 12 months.
The only real factor for the med school at Meridian and Channelside is getting the rest of the money, which in theory could come this state legislative session in spring. The other parcels need to wait on road realignments.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #62
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^Yeah, that seems like it's all but a done deal to me. The big "if" there is, how self serving will the next crop of Fl legislators be? Tampa's got a long track record of getting the short end of the stick in Tally.

Barring that kind of drama, it should be full steam ahead for USF Med downtown.


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You are generally negative, the glass is empty, about many developments and projects. Thats just not how I see it and doubt you would ever be truly happy anywhere you live, really.
We can always count on you to get personal with others you disagree with.


And I didn't say the project is underwhelming, I said it would seem underwhelming with all of the hype it's gotten.
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Nice project, but I told y'all it was going to seem a bit underwhelming after all of the hype of late.
It's a very important project for downtown, but it's also not of such a scale or visibility to "redefine the city".

Something that would "redefine the city" would be to change the zoning, so that people like Vinik don't have to blow upwards of $100,000,000 just on parking spaces for automobiles.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #63
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The fact that we're getting development say in the wedge between the Forum and Old Water is just a testament of how unique of an opportunity this is. Most cities couldn't really consider developing such a sliver of land in a location like that.
Look at what is in Toronto, or being built in Montreal and Vancouver, and then make sure to get some tissues to wipe the tears away.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #64
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We can always count on you to get personal with others you disagree with.
This is personal to you? Pointing out your extreme negativity and general dissatisfaction with almost every project discussed in here is obvious, you make your 'personal' feelings known, don't blame me for calling you out on it. It really is a bad way to live your life, and IMO negativity just breeds more negativity.

I will say, leave it to you to crap all over the best thing that has happened to Tampa in decades. Your half ass approval is about all anyone here would expect I am sure.

You say all the time how much you are dissatisfied with Tampa and this region. Its part of who you are I guess, but to say I come out and made something personal that you wear on your sleeve is ridiculous. At least own up to your bad attitude..
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #65
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Look at what is in Toronto, or being built in Montreal and Vancouver, and then make sure to get some tissues to wipe the tears away.
Compare Tampa with cities which have 250,000, 1.3 million and 2.3 million more people then it and are the largest three metros in their whole country? No thanks.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #66
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This is personal to you? Pointing out your extreme negativity and general dissatisfaction with almost every project discussed in here is obvious, you make your 'personal' feelings known, don't blame me for calling you out on it. It really is a bad way to live your life, and IMO negativity just breeds more negativity.

I will say, leave it to you to crap all over the best thing that has happened to Tampa in decades. Your half ass approval is about all anyone here would expect I am sure.

You say all the time how much you are dissatisfied with Tampa and this region. Its part of who you are I guess, but to say I come out and made something personal that you wear on your sleeve is ridiculous. At least own up to your bad attitude..
Are you done yet, troll?

This thread has a topic. Stick to it. It you have a personal problem with someone, use PM.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #67
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Can't make everybody happy. While some people might be underwhelmed or maybe even disappointed, there will undoubtedly be some Harbour Island NIMBYs who whine about how all this added density will hamper their ability to speed on and off the island, unimpeded at 45 mph.

Besides, this is just the first draft. It may or may not get more impressive over time. Like my old boss used to always tell me - under promise and over deliver.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #68
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Look at what is in Toronto, or being built in Montreal and Vancouver, and then make sure to get some tissues to wipe the tears away.
Psh, i compare tampa to the likes of Hong Kong, NYC, and Tokyo personally.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #69
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Ok, let's keep on topic. ...how awful is this vision? Can't wait to hear more of your views. .
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #70
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Yeah, Jason you're definitely right that the Vinik hotel was slimmed down quite considerably and appears to have reduced a larger portion of the garage pedestal? Although, I'm not complaining, as what I can see from the small overhead rendering, the tower looks pretty sleek still.

Aslo note how there appears to no longer be a ped. bridge to the Arena and instead now has one going to the Marriott.



Does anyone know what that parcel just north of the Selmon (Whiting, Morgan Jefferson block) is?
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #71
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Compare Tampa with cities which have 250,000, 1.3 million and 2.3 million more people then it and are the largest three metros in their whole country? No thanks.
My bad. This is totally better than what's in Wichita. Go team!

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Does anyone know what that parcel just north of the Selmon (Whiting, Morgan Jefferson block) is?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1740573
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #72
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Know what I think is funny? They announced 'Hablo Taco' as a new Tenet at channelside plaza, they're taking over the old Tina Tapa's spot which just so happens to be the part of Channelside plaza that's going to be eliminated.

On a personal note that is the wing of the building I worked in for 6 years and was the starting point of my career path now, though it makes complete sense I'm actually sad to see it go, a lot of memories there.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #73
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I thought the same thing too.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #74
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The parcel you're referring to usf, already has a proposed 7 story residential complex planned for it.. it's somewhere around the forum with renderings
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #75
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Looks like their version of the InVision project. They're smart to get out ahead of any potential NIMBYs by giving them an outlet for feedback.

Really interesting format for the site too.


Not sure why some people think I'm being negative about the project. I think it's great. Today is a historic day for Tampa. But I don't look at it from the perspective of a resident anymore. I look at it from the perspective of being a future visitor or investor. Does Tampa offer me as an urban enthusiast something more compelling than what I can get elsewhere? I think that remains to be seen. The prospects are certainly a lot better than they were in the recent past. But I'm not sure Tampa's outlook is more compelling than other localities, which can point to a lot more existing urban progress than Tampa can at this point.



If I was still going to be living here beyond whenever my neck heals in the next few weeks, I would be jacked right now, trust me.

Put it this way, a few months ago, my intention was to basically leave and not come back. Ever. Now I'm considering taking some of the money from when I sell my townhouse here, and pooling it with some money from my folks, and buying some land near downtown Tampa. I figure if I sit on it, it's not likely to go down in price, and if I come back in a few years and build on it with my own money (no loans), I'll probably make a killing.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:21 PM   #76
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The parcel you're referring to usf, already has a proposed 7 story residential complex planned for it.. it's somewhere around the forum with renderings
That's what I thought it was and Koop linked the thread in his post, but for some reason I thought that project was dead for whatever reason and this was something new.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #77
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^Some of us wish it was dead, so Vinik could buy that parcel too. (and the rest of the block from the various small landowners)
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #78
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What's interesting about the hotel is (I believe) they were still showing off the old rendering today too.

I'm guessing that project north of the Crosstown was waiting to see exactly what this project was doing (esp in regards to which roads were staying and which were going) before making a move. Of course if they think their values will jump high enough from Vinik's project they may just sell for a pay day. Cumberland being connected and becoming a much more important road alone will make their lot more interesting.
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At this point I hope they sell to SPP to be included in the overall plan..
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #80
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What's interesting about the hotel is (I believe) they were still showing off the old rendering today too.
I saw that in the video that I finally got the chance to watch just now.

I think the hotel depicted in Urban Design Associates' conceptual renderings of the master plan, is just their conceptual placeholder.

What's relevant is the design that Vinik's team already showed the city for the rezoning. I seriously doubt that they would start off this project by showing the city one design to get approval, but build another.
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