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Old April 2nd, 2015, 07:31 PM   #1
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CARILLON PARK | Echelon City Center | several buildings up to 22 stories | massive mixed use development | APR

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Old April 2nd, 2015, 07:40 PM   #2
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What an effin' pipedream. The two buildings at Raymond James were intended to be ten floors but they had to go nine because of the airport so the height will not work there.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 08:43 PM   #3
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Good luck on that, for the exact reason Del just pointed out. I have a few associates with offices there and the general consensus is that the area has an identity crisis.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 08:53 PM   #4
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Sadly I don't see the area being more than an office park in the swamps. Location wise it has so much potential too.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 10:43 PM   #5
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They've been working on this for a while.

I doubt they would propose two office towers that they can't build. With that said, we're talking 20-22 story office buildings, which have to be around 250-300ft tall, even with some of those floors being shorter parking levels. I had always heard that Carillon couldn't take anything taller than around 180-200'.

Maybe the change coming that will affect height restrictions around Albert Whitted, will also affect city land near PIE?
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 10:52 PM   #6
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Yeah really doubt they would propose something that the FAA would make them chop at least half off of. This is a big master planned development. Not some fantasy/vision tower.
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 10:57 PM   #7
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Just for reference, Azure, an apartment complex in Carillon recently sold above replacement cost. The market is hot in the Gateway/Carillon area. I can see the residential portions of this plan coming online, office is hard to predict but if the rents are really below market they could attract some companies from Westshore or other areas

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...ll-for-54.html
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:36 AM   #8
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The multi-family parts are already coming, it's just the process that takes time. Same goes for the hotel, so far as I know.
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The office buildings (a shame its so small):

Problem solved...





And a smaller 800 pixel version for the master list...
http://i.imgur.com/7yiNGVd.jpg
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:45 AM   #10
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More news on this coming in:

First bigger rendering of the office buildings courtesy of Loopnet:



http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite...x?LID=19087285

Next, a rendering of the first apartment building, named One Park West. Will be 14 stories, 198 units and 16,000 sq. ft. retail space:



And another article:

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Carillon developer shares more details on behemoth plan: 'We're building another city'
Apr 2, 2015, 5:18pm EDT

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The nearly 3-million-square-foot development Echelon LLC is planning in Carillon Park is designed as a miniature city in the heart of suburban St. Petersburg.

The buildings proposed for on the 16.5-acre site maximize the available land with dense, urban buildings — 20-story office towers and apartment towers atop parking decks with street-level retail. Echelon City Center, as the project is named, will commence this fall with the construction of a 14-story apartment tower near the Publix Super Markets Inc. in Carillon.

The tower, named One Park West, will consist of 198 units and 16,000 square feet of retail space. It will be move-in ready in late 2016 or early 2017. The office towers won't break ground until a company agrees to lease at least 125,000 square feet.
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Here's how Echelon City Center breaks down:
500,000 square feet of office space
172,000 square feet of retail space
1,500 residential units
120-room boutique hotel, with a flag like Aloft or Indigo
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http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...-behemoth.html
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:47 AM   #11
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haha, I was just posting some of the loopnet stuff at the same time as you.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:50 AM   #12
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Sounds a little heavy on the retail imo. Double the hotel, cut the retail by 50k sqft.



btw, this has been around a while. I knew I had seen it somewhere last year... It was mentioned in the docs for one of the pier proposals. The one by VOA for 'Discover Bay Life'. They're doing the landscape architecture for this project too.

http://old.stpete.org/thenewpier/docs/VOA_SOQ_web.pdf

On pg37

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Old April 3rd, 2015, 12:53 AM   #13
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Yeah Loopnet is a gold mine for this.

Here are 3D renderings of the entire project to get an idea for the height/density they're going for:

http://x.lnimg.com/attachments/32E18...0D9A8B1821.pdf
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 01:04 AM   #14
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Sounds a little heavy on the retail imo. Double the hotel, cut the retail by 50k sqft.
Yeah I thought it seemed a bit light on hotel. This would be a popular area to stay in. It kind of just seems like they're lining everything with ground floor retail and 172K is just what they ended up with. It does seem a little excessive though.

Can't say I really care for how they're hiding all the garages and the office buildings are meh but the apartment building looks quite nice.

Just comparing the numbers of this project to Vinik's this project has:

1/2 the office space
More residential space (possibly as much as triple the number of units)
2/3 the retail space
1/4 or so the hotel space
No medical school
Roughly the same maximum height
On about 2/3 the land
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 01:09 AM   #15
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Ha, I was thinking the same thing when seeing the project's full scope. (comparing to Vinik's project)

Vinik can't be too pleased that he's getting undercut right now with $29sqft brand new office space being marketed with expansive water views.

I personally hope that the team Vinik has brought in turns up the number of residential units and/or hotel rooms that project includes.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 01:46 AM   #16
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The Publix stands out and hopefully they have plans on including a new store into the urban design and then they can eventually build on that site as well.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 02:28 AM   #17
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Lots going on here. I'll be sure to take pics if these go U/C.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 10:09 PM   #18
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To the doubters:

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The plans are for a dense, urban development, to maximize the usable land. The developers are able to build towers on the site because they have already received a variance approval from the Federal Aviation Administration to build up to 250 feet. Major League Baseball requires stadiums with retractable roofs to allow at least 200 feet above second base for pop-up balls.
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Old April 3rd, 2015, 10:18 PM   #19
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Ha, that's crazy. I thought of the stadium proposal's potential impact on height restrictions right away yesterday, when I realized that the office buildings they're proposing really are as tall as I had heard months ago. But it seemed presumptuous that they would have gotten the height approved already, and without there being any record of it online that I could locate. I wondered that in my post yesterday, and then quickly edited it out, thinking it was sort of silly.

That's actually pretty impressive to me. So many developers propose things around here, and then are seemingly blindsided later on, when their project is found to be much taller than current height restrictions allow. Echelon was all over it.
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My reaction to this: 1. Lol at the idea of a pop up hitting an airplane 2. Can we propose some "baseball stadiums" in Westshore to get similar variances and similar projects to this over there?
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