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Old July 13th, 2015, 09:34 PM   #61
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The city said the new use is not a substantial change.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 04:07 AM   #62
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^What use? The building Related is proposing is on land zoned PD. It's site plan approval.

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Old July 14th, 2015, 04:30 AM   #63
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IDK but...

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Related, based in South Florida, filed a substantial change request with the city on Wednesday for the Tribune's 4-acre site on South Parker Street.
If that's approved, Related will submit a site plan, said Arturo Pena, a vice president and development manager for the company.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...6&postcount=25

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So next comes the much anticipated site plan
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Old July 14th, 2015, 05:23 AM   #64
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Oh I see the developer made the wrong request. They have to break the Tribune parcel from the overall siteplan (which is zoned PD) before they can develop it the way they want to. They don't do that with a substantial change request, since they aren't changing the existing siteplan, they are trying to create a new one from a portion of it. So the process to do that is to apply for arezoning, via a new separate siteplan on the parcel they want to split off.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #65
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City portal is showing three entries for 202 Parker, all empty. Might be expecting a site plan within a day or so to be posted online. Same thing happened with 315 Ashley in regards to the portal. Empty placeholder entry went up a day before the real entry with all the documents.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #66
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And it's up folks, 10,000 square feet of restaurant space in the project.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 11:49 PM   #67
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Project = mostly dogshit from what I can see...

Rendering, special thanks to Kevin Thurman.





A marked up version of site plan that I made that's much clearer than the one Related submitted to the city.


Can't really tell exactly where all of the commercial space is, but I know a good amount of it is in the SW corner.
And a restaurant at the NW corner too. Not sure about exact placement on SW side, might stretch along Brorien more than shown.
The deck and cafe seating for restaurant are under the building's footprint, but are open air.

Also looks like the building's shape changes in the SW portion, and has a shorter 4-5 story portion.


And yes, even with an 8 story building and over 4 acres to work with, Related still found a way to make the f-ing garage the tallest part of the building!

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Old July 28th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #68
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[IMG]tampa-tribune-site-elevations-and-garage-plans-1-1 by Stealth Traveler, on Flickr[/IMG]
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Old July 28th, 2015, 12:47 AM   #69
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Related Group fast tracks Tribune redevelopment, plans to include restaurant space (Rendering)
Jul 27, 2015, 5:48pm EDT Updated Jul 27, 2015, 5:59pm EDT

A rendering of Related Group's plans for the Tampa Tribune site.

In addition to residential units, a Miami developer plans to include space for a restaurant on the Tampa Tribune's real estate.

Related Group is asking the city to rezone the Tribune's 4.4-acre site at 202 S. Parker St. to accommodate 400 residential units and a 10,000-square-foot restaurant space, according to city documents filed Monday. The eight-story residential building will line the riverfront, while a six-story parking garage will be built on the western portion of the property.

Related says in its application to the city that it anticipates full buildout in 2017. That means that the razing of the Tribune's office building will occur sooner rather than later, if the rezoning request is granted and Related moves forward with its plans.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...velopment.html
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Old July 28th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #70
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It never ceases to amaze. I have such low expectations for these things, and yet, they still manage to underwhelm.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #71
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Are we sure there's a restaurant space on the NE corner?

A shame the site plan is weak because the different non Med-Rev architecture is more then welcome.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 01:04 AM   #72
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That is uglier than the exorcist.

They could have built a 25-30 story building there with just as much retail.
I'm starting to think Related is trying to ruin our skyline.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 01:11 AM   #73
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Interesting that they chose not buffer the residential units, in any manner really, from Brorien. Something as simple as putting the garage against Brorien, and stacking the residential part to make it something like 16 stores, same amount of units basically, but with a solid buffer from Brorien would have made way more sense than this.

The interaction with the River sucks to say the least.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 01:55 AM   #74
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The interaction with everything sucks. Imagine the joy when the Media General site is redeveloped, and those residents/workers get the joys of a 100ft+ tall parking garage and loading berths right there.

This site is not even remotely space constricted. That they're cheaping out on the garage like that is pathetic.

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Are we sure there's a restaurant space on the NE corner?
Yes, the cafe seating outside is clearly discerned, as are the partition walls of an good sized restaurant space.



I used to draw these things bro...
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Yeah ok now I see it. It's been a long day for me
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Old July 28th, 2015, 04:26 AM   #76
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Yikes, that is one ugly project.
And have you ever driven over the Brorein bridge? That sucker puts out a lot of noise when car tires hit that metal roadway, but yet they cram a wing right up against it. Wouldn't want to live on that end.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 06:25 AM   #77
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Glad to see a full agreement for the lack of try from Related on this. Why wouldn't you have the garage facing Brorein bridge to block the noise? Why would you not capitalize on the river and build retail along it?

I honestly hope this gets denied and we can convince the city that the land is too valuable for something like this to be approved.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 08:12 AM   #78
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Idk about retail, but how about full pubic access via a piece of riverwalk or greenway as has long been envisioned?


Other random thoughts...

The riverfront restaurant is logical. but the ground level on the back should largely be public space. a plaza, with some public art or a fountain or whatever. Interior spaces here should be commercial, or common areas that are often used in a semi-public capacity. Meeting space, a fitness center or whatever.

I thought this site would get some sort of retail box. Maybe big enough for a Trader Joes/pharmacy sized store, or maybe something a bit larger occupied by like a design center, City-Target or whatever. Remember, this site has like 150,000sqft of buildable ground area.

The totally exposed garage, especially where it is, in the arrangement it has (being the tallest and by far most prominent feature), is a non-starter. Hide it, line it with occupied space. Get. It. Out. Of. Site!!!

The almost total replacement of commercial/production space which contains plenty of good jobs, with a massive 8 story slab of rentals is a non-starter. I think I'll call this trend 'economic undevelopment'. That's when a building occupied with workers getting paid to produce economic activity, gets torn down and is replaced by a rental property where the tenant's money is largely shipped out of town to pay off the financiers.

The architectural look of this proposal, while a bit different from what's been built around here of late, looks like it will not age well. It already kinda looks like a Miamified tenement. What will it look like in 30?

400 units on a nearly 4.5 acre superblock with several hundred feet of riverfront access, but virtually no mixing of uses is very troubling. That's a very underwhelming intensity. They could easily build 4 towers here if they chose to. 2 residential, 1 hotel and 1 office. With something more like 40k of ground floor commercial.

This proposal if built as proposed, would cost the city millions in lost revenues, and would kill the prospect of a riverwalk along the west bank having an anchor of urban vitality at each end via redevelopment. Something which has been envisioned for decades around here.

This project proves that Related doesn't give a damn about Tampa. They're strictly here for more quick profit, like they did with Shithouse.... Oops, I mean Pierhouse.

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This is extremely underwhelming to say the least
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They're strictly here for more quick profit, like they did with Shithouse.... Oops, I mean Pierhouse.
Anyone see the resident argument on the news a few days back about how horrible the construction quality is.
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