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Old April 25th, 2015, 06:25 PM   #21
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Yeah, all of them. They're also asking for variances to take down all of the grand oaks too. Get this, they call it a "space constrained" parcel, even they're developing an entire 2.5 acre block.
God, that's awful. It's a nice parcel as it is. At least relocate the buildings and save the trees. They're huge!
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Old April 25th, 2015, 07:54 PM   #22
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Now to be fair, it might be conceivable that they could be convinced to at least offer the existing buildings to anyone willing to pay to move them. That's been done before. Not sure if it's possible here, just a thought...

So far as developing around existing buildings, only the one at the NE corner could be carved out without causing too much hassle and looking stupid when complete. Same goes for the tree in the NE corner, compared to the ones down more in the middle of the lot. Now they could conceivably design around those middle trees too, leaving them in a courtyard, but these kinds of tweaks take a project from being an off the shelf design adapted to local code and market, to a one off design specific to just this site. That raises costs some, so unless they have a reason to do something different, they're going to go straight to the lowest common denominator. Touting urban planning features doesn't necessarily sell a building, even though it impacts livability. The developer will put the money into finishes or his own pocket first. But the thing is, it's the residents of the neighborhood who will live with the consequences for decades to come, not the developer. And the thing is, when it comes to the politics of development around here, developers are usually beholden to NIMBYs who usually won't even work with them, they just want them to go away. I think it's a better deal for developers to work with YIMBYs who will enthusiastically support their project, so long as they take reasonable steps to help the community create a sense of place.
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Old April 26th, 2015, 02:05 AM   #23
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I was initually happy to hear the news of this development bUT just like all of you I feel that this project, given its location really, really needs some retail. I've always had a strong opinion that the grand central area had huge potential to be a pedestrian
Enclave and a retail/entertainment destination for the west side of the river.

I know the city has an extensive track record for settling and letting the developers get away with murder bUT wouldn't be surprised if we see a change of plans and see retail implemented in the plans.I checked out their website and I noticed they built the new apts. In Westchase off racetrack and even they have retail..in west chase!?! Its just smart business wise to incorporate a couple spots..
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Old April 26th, 2015, 02:36 AM   #24
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this is actually 7 floors, thanks to the garage.
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Old April 26th, 2015, 02:53 AM   #25
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^I wasn't really going to count that in the thread title since it's only the garage.
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Old April 27th, 2015, 03:25 AM   #26
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Just checked and their Westchase property has like 4800sq ft of retail on something like 230 units
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Old May 19th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #27
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Old May 19th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #28
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Did you mean to post in the Aurora?
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Old May 28th, 2015, 07:59 PM   #29
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On the city portal there's been a lot of recent updates lately from various city departments. The developer proposed 5 foot sidewalks when 6 feet are required, the city commented on tree removal etc.

Here's the elevation in case any of you all haven't seen it:

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Old May 28th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #30
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That project sucks.

The side fronting Cleveland, where the city is putting money into making it an attractive corridor for cyclists and peds, is a dead streetscape, which doesn't even have an entrance into the building, let alone anything else interesting.

As we can see on the Grand Central side, they're actually adding new curb cuts for a hotel style porte cochere for cars. Not even remotely a walkable design.

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Old May 28th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #31
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DENY!!
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Old June 11th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #32
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Historic Preservation has objected to the demolition of the existing structures on site due to being contributing structures in the Hyde Park National Register Historic District.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 06:40 PM   #33
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Historic Preservation has objected to the demolition of the existing structures on site due to being contributing structures in the Hyde Park National Register Historic District.
Good! Keep us updated on what happens.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 07:18 PM   #34
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Excellent news.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #35
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New site plan has been submitted....and they added 2600 sq. ft. of retail!!!

Still not a whole lot but definitely a step in the right direction.

Two retail spots of 1300 sq. ft. on the corners of the project along Grand Central.

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Old June 29th, 2015, 03:47 PM   #36
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The original proposal requested a 5 story building with 272 units surrounding a 6 story garage. In order to accommodate the requests of neighboring property owners who asked that ground floor retail space be included onsite, the building has been modified to a 9 story building which includes 274 units on 6 stories and 2,614 sq. ft. of retail sales, specialty, surrounding an 8 story garage. The garage will contain a total of 579 parking spaces, 387 of which will be behind a gate and 192 that will be accessible by the public.

The project has been modified from a 5 story building to 9 stories with 6 of the stories being residential. Remaining total project space after excluding buildings, parking garage, driveways, patios and sidewalks is 15,646 square feet. The required green space is 4,693.8 square feet or 30 percent of the total remaining project space. Proposed green space to be provided is 16,449 square feet.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 05:15 PM   #37
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FF, do you have a link for this?
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Old June 29th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #38
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FF, do you have a link for this?
It's all on the city portal: https://aca.tampagov.net/citizenaccess/

In the search box just type in "grand central" in the street name space and it'll be the REZ entry. Then just scroll down to the attachments tab.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 05:30 PM   #39
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Hope they can relocate the historic buildings on site but aside from that, this is great news!
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Old June 29th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #40
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So the elevations still show 5 stories of residential on the sides, so not sure if their description saying residential is 6 stories is wrong or if the elevations are. The garage is 9 stories in the middle of the project, but floor 8 appears to be amenities/pool and floor 9 is a roof deck and what appears to be 3 more units. All of this means the project is pushing 112 feet tall at its tallest point in the middle.

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