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Old November 16th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #21
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ah I found it in here from where we discussed similar height issues a while back. Szemeredy added the map with the line in it and Jason thinks the height could be a little taller around there.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...528024&page=19
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Old November 17th, 2013, 04:39 AM   #22
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ah I found it in here from where we discussed similar height issues a while back. Szemeredy added the map with the line in it and Jason thinks the height could be a little taller around there.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...528024&page=19
Going to pull it over here for discussion. We were originally talking about airport-related height limits around Downtown Tampa, referencing the O2 development in Channelside that had to be cut down to size due to FAA ruling (and was later abandoned).
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Long story short, O2 was in the way of KTPF runway 18/36. That runway is the reason why the center of downtown is fairly squat and undeveloped compared to Channelside and along the river - you cannot go vertical by more than 15-20 stories/200 feet without becoming a safety hazard along that flightpath. O2's 40+ was out of the question.



Should not be an issue near the Straz.
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To be clear, anything over 200 feet tall in Hillsborough has to be approved by both FAA and HCAA, regardless of whether or not it's in a flight path. In many cases, that number is far, far lower. Here's a map.
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To get into the maths of downtown Tampa, the height limit off of Peter O'Knight's runways is 1 foot for every 20 feet from the end of the runway envelope. By that purely technical condition, O2 was under the height restriction in place around the Forum (over 400 FT, hence why the project went ahead), but subject to a comprehensive review due to height over 90FT above sea level. From there, it was shot down for being a residential development with excessive height in the direct line of a runway - public health and safety. Jason is absolutely right, in that 244ft is the maximum allowable height determined by HCAA for a safe residential development in that location.
As Jasonhouse noted in the InTown thread, the formula changes to be a bit more lenient if you're off to the side but still close enough to get in the way during an emergency.

A quick and dirty Google Earth measurement on the east property puts it at over 5700ft away from the runway envelope, or roughly 285ft maximum by the FAA formula - probably higher, as I'm being conservative with the estimate. The west property is an additional 150 feet away, adding a few more feet to vertical maximum. Both sites will be subject to review, but they should both squeak in under the maximum. Getting HCAA to go along with it is an entirely different matter.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #23
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Potential HI apartment tower back in the news. Hartride, you may want to add this to your list. And a previous article back also mentions the possibility of another tower to the west of the Plaza (hence two possible towers on HI).

http://tbo.com/news/business/potenti...stor-20131224/

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Old December 25th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #24
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Same to you! Thanks for the update! I'll add the project to the 2014 development list.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 03:02 AM   #25
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The article was updated. Interesting how valuable land is bought and sold over several years yet nothing gets built.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #26
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Found this gem of a rendering courtesy of; http://frameworkgroupllc.com/projects/harbour-island/



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Located on Harbour Island, Tampa’s most exclusive residential enclave, this 232-unit high-rise will complete the build-out of the island. With 360-degree views of Downtown and Tampa Bay, it will become one of the City’s most sought-after residential addresses. Construction is set to begin in Summer 2014.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #27
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Nice! Looks like it would be a good one to convert to condos.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #28
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Is this project confirmed?

Looks about 20 stories.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #29
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like the pool! hope it does get built
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Old February 13th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #30
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I don't think it's been approved yet. It would have been in the news if it was.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #31
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Yikes at the lack of setbacks. At least its neighbor has a bit of a pedestal/tower configuration, which allows for more daylight to penetrate the area.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 12:47 AM   #32
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Agreed. A big blah box on top of a pretty cool base.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 06:48 AM   #33
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Does it need approved? I was thinking that this land was rezoned before?

Also, this doesn't build out the island. There is the last parcel on the other side of the existing condo shown in the rendering above.

Lastly, I liked the original design much better than this boxy VE crap.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 06:58 AM   #34
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That's a very deep pool. :o

Boxes aren't so bad if the facade does it justice. At the same time, the renderings don't really show how the facade will look. But if it isn't some cheap p.o.s. materials, then I'm fine with the boxy-ness.

The parking garage could be better hidden though. Replace the glass with some kind of mural.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #35
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Interesting that Intown Group is a partner in this project. I would hope they put more into the building than SkyPoint/Element.
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Old February 20th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #36
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Does it need approved? I was thinking that this land was rezoned before?

Also, this doesn't build out the island. There is the last parcel on the other side of the existing condo shown in the rendering above.

Lastly, I liked the original design much better than this boxy VE crap.
Not really a zoning meeting but I was thinking it still needs the typical final meeting where the opponents and proponents get to have their say before the city officially approves or denies the building to be built. And I have to agree with most of the comments. It is boxy but thank God they are not building more cheap four story apartments.

And the parcel to the left of the Plaza still has that old one-story building. That will need to be torn down. Don't even know if it is still being used.
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Old March 15th, 2014, 04:19 AM   #37
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I'll put this in this thread, tho it's on the site directly WEST of the Plaza. (The site to the east of the Plaza has been discussed earlier in this thread.)

Harbour Island residential project planned.

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Emails from city of Tampa planning officials show a developer is proposing a new building on land just west of The Plaza Harbour Island condo tower. The project, at 402 Knights Run Ave., would include an overhead walkway over Harbour Place Drive that would link the new building to an existing parking garage.
http://tbo.com/news/business/harbour...nned-20140314/
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Old March 15th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #38
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Hope we get another update soon that has more details (more specific). By looking at a map of HI it looks like this location would involve tearing down the old building there. If they are building only there instead of all the way up to Harbor Place Drive then the only way to go is up. Sure hope it is built with quality and it could possibly be taller than the Plaza.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 07:47 PM   #39
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Rendering of Related's proposed project for the west lot:

[IMG]http://i62.************/qsqm8k.jpg[/IMG]
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I like the top of the building. It reminds me of the luxury condos at Central Park in NYC.
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