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افتتاح "المعهد الجعفري" الجديد الأسبوع ا&#

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#1 ·
مدينة عيسى - وزارة التربية والتعليم -
يقام حفل افتتاح المبنى الجديد للمعهد الديني الجعفري الأسبوع المقبل برعاية رئيس الوزراء صاحب السمو الشيخ خليفة بن سلمان آل خليفة.



وبهذه المناسبة أكد وزير التربية والتعليم ماجد النعيمي أن افتتاح المبنى الجديد للمعهد الديني الجعفري يأتي تنفيذا للبرنامج الإنشائي للوزارة والذي يهدف إلى تقديم أفضل الخدمات التعليمية للطلبة في كل المراحل التعليمية.
 
#29 ·
Actually what blackforest posted is related. The Ayyah was because some were afraid of being poor if they have more children. We muslims believe that Al Risg ( الرزق ) is given by God therfor whatever number u have of children. God is responsible for them. Same apply to التوكل على الله.

People u should read the tafseer to know what does the ayya exactly mean.

And there is a prophet hadith saying in Arabic (I dont remember it exactly)
تزوجوا الولود اللدود فإني مكثر بكم بين الأمم


I know what u mean Qatar4ever because i head 3ayed al qarny saying it also. He didnt say that its not ok to have more children or its not favored.
 
#30 ·
smussuw, I read the translation and it refers to Al Jaheleyah period when they used to kill thier childrens because they afraid of not getting enough money to raise them.
it doesn't apply on the subject we are not talking about killing childrens we are talking about not having lots of childrens
 
#31 ·
I'd rather have four childrens that I can afford to put into the best private schools and send them off to the best universities so they can become engineers, doctors, lawyers or even archiectcuts ;) Rather then to have 11 children running around the house and having to go to sleep each night wondering how i will be able to afford putting decent food and clothes on their backs.

The aya means what elmahri had said. It doesnt mean i should have a baby each year and end up with a total of twenty kids and sit there hope razgi yaji min allah. Fate doenst work in that way !

I believe family planning is important. People in qatar and uae shouldnt worry about it because we live in a very socialist govt with benefits to every citizen to the extent parents dont have to worry much abotu the number of kids they have. However places like bahrain need to worry because there are more mouth to feed from that one piece of pie.

Look at the poorest nations in the world and thier birth rates and look at the richest and their birth rate. Dont tell me their is no corrolation between them.

As 3ayd il qarni, ur right he didnt, and neither did i say that. He said its best to have two kids who become scientest rather than to half dozens who are useless.
 
#32 ·
Well prevention is necessary in some cases where people don't have anything at all. Like the son of the Sudanese imam of my local mosque is unemployed and he got married, his wife gave birth to a child nine months later, and then they asked us to pay the 2500 dirham fee of the hospital so they can get out. I mean these people knew they had no money, they knew they were expecting a child for nine months, and still, they didn't do anything to try to get money or prevent it at least. They can't pay the fees for the hospital to get the baby out, so how can they afford diapers or milk bottles or putting the child through school? An unemployed man shouldn't marry in the first place if he has no support.

But I'm not too sure about the situation in Bahrain. Is healthcare free for nationals? Schools? Universities? If those services are free or reasonably priced, I think many people can manage to pull through just fine even if they're poor. I knew a below average family of 9 kids - 8 of them are doctors now and 1 is a science teacher. It depends on how they're raised more than how many they are. Having only one child doesn't necessarily mean he will turn out to be better and more productive. In fact, two only childs that I know spent 3 or 4 years abroad in college and ended up being kicked out for bad grades because they were too spoiled or lazy and didn't know how to study themselves. Their parents were used to teaching them at home whenever they had exams.

You're right, the problem in Bahrain is that they should create more jobs, but they should also look at job market requirements. There's no use in someone studying something and then ends up jobless because they've already got enough people in that field. The Bahrain-Qatar causeway should alleviate many of these problems by offering Bahrainis an opportunity to work in Qatar.. if they'll hire them. Some interesting comments on this page: http://www.rabirk.net/bahrainmain.html

I would be interested in reading statistics for Bahrainis working abroad, as I know many who work abroad, and some who have settled in the UAE recently.
 
#33 ·
Qatar4Ever said:
I'd rather have four childrens that I can afford to put into the best private schools and send them off to the best universities so they can become engineers, doctors, lawyers or even archiectcuts ;) Rather then to have 11 children running around the house and having to go to sleep each night wondering how i will be able to afford putting decent food and clothes on their backs.

The aya means what elmahri had said. It doesnt mean i should have a baby each year and end up with a total of twenty kids and sit there hope razgi yaji min allah. Fate doenst work in that way !

I believe family planning is important. People in qatar and uae shouldnt worry about it because we live in a very socialist govt with benefits to every citizen to the extent parents dont have to worry much abotu the number of kids they have. However places like bahrain need to worry because there are more mouth to feed from that one piece of pie.

Look at the poorest nations in the world and thier birth rates and look at the richest and their birth rate. Dont tell me their is no corrolation between them.

As 3ayd il qarni, ur right he didnt, and neither did i say that. He said its best to have two kids who become scientest rather than to half dozens who are useless.
That's right Qatar4Ever and people should think in this way...
 
#34 ·
Anyway, I also don't think education means everything for a person. I know people who are professors with 30 years experience who have studied and worked in the best institutions in Europe and write for the best journals, and they've made a lot of money, but their kids are an absolute disaster and were kicked out of several private schools and only know how to say bad words. And they themselves are not respectable because they drink alcohol and don't care about visiting extended family or whatever. They're very Westernized.

Another thing is that in a lot of countries, people are focusing on education and a degree as the means to success, but they forget that the country needs other services such as manual work and craftsmanship. We needs people who are talented in carpentry, tailoring, and who would do hands-on jobs which everyone looks down upon. Sure, we can get them from abroad, but still that doesn't mean no one should do them. The whole world is actually lacking in such jobs, and it's also a reason why nurses are so hard to come by. No one wants to do the dirty work.

I don't know why you stress the importance or advantage of private schools. My parents sent me to a private school for a while thinking it would do me good, but it was a total waste, because I found the public to be far superior. In a lot of the private schools these days although some might have good curricula, they also have a lot of bad stuff such as organizing proms and speaking in English all the time, or lacking in Islamic studies. A cousin of mine who went to Choueifat once told me as I was playing basketball in the yard why I don't wear gym shorts instead of pants. He said all the girls at his school wear shorts, explaining that the weather is hot. I threw the ball on his head.

I don't trust private schools these days.
 
#35 ·
blackforest, to prove your point, you always go in and look for extreme rare examples. Yes, not all well educated people end up with well educated kids. But the chances are if your father is a docter and you mom is a docter you'll end up pretty smart and not a drug addict. Offcourse that not always the case, but it is most of times. For you, you always bring examples this one person who doesnt fit the description. for everyone deviant example there are nine other that fit other examples. You can't build a case on such extreme examples.

As for the manual work. come on man ! Let's be serious here for a second. Will you ever really see an emiritie as a carpenter or tailer ?? Don't tell me you know this one emiritie who is, coz the general idea is for emirities not to occupy these jobs as with most ppl in the gulf. The reality is, and no matter how noble these jobs are, no one will really except these proffesion as "real" jobs for gulf locals. Money is best spent teaching a person some english and computer skills then how to tailer. Besides its not economical, no matter how cheap a local tailer is there will always be a bangli charing half price.

You build your case against private schools coz girls wear shorts while playing basketball. madry shagoolik ya5ee !!
 
#37 ·
Qatar4Ever said:
blackforest, to prove your point, you always go in and look for extreme rare examples. Yes, not all well educated people end up with well educated kids. But the chances are if your father is a docter and you mom is a docter you'll end up pretty smart and not a drug addict. Offcourse that not always the case, but it is most of times. For you, you always bring examples this one person who doesnt fit the description. for everyone deviant example there are nine other that fit other examples. You can't build a case on such extreme examples.

As for the manual work. come on man ! Let's be serious here for a second. Will you ever really see an emiritie as a carpenter or tailer ?? Don't tell me you know this one emiritie who is, coz the general idea is for emirities not to occupy these jobs as with most ppl in the gulf. The reality is, and no matter how noble these jobs are, no one will really except these proffesion as "real" jobs for gulf locals. Money is best spent teaching a person some english and computer skills then how to tailer. Besides its not economical, no matter how cheap a local tailer is there will always be a bangli charing half price.

You build your case against private schools coz girls wear shorts while playing basketball. madry shagoolik ya5ee !!

OK, so I give extreme examples, but that's because that's a big generalization which you make. I mean you say 11 kids are "nobodies" and the 2 kids are "somebodies". I'm ignorant of what goes on in Bahrain in terms of education and healthcare, so I asked whether they do have free public education or healthcare.. but apparently, they don't, since you said that UAE and Qatar are "almost socialist" but Bahrain doesn't provide for its citizens. I think it's far from true in many cases, not just in some cases, that more than two siblings end up as nothing because of poverty.

The problems faced in many families in Gulf countries who have lots of kids is mainly from either mothers being uneducated and being from 3rd world countries, fathers being elderly, polygamy being practised and having careless fathers. Otherwise, there's nothing stopping anyone from enrolling in any college or even getting a diploma.

And anyway, reducing number of children ends up affected society negatively in the long term when suddenly you'll have more elderly than the young and family connections are lost due to being smaller.. people end up having only 1 uncle or whatever.

I have no problem with people planning on limiting the number of their kids, but still, if someone wants to have more, they should be scolded for it. That's what's happening in Europe now, people who have five kids or more are seen as burdens on the economy or something and no one has more than two kids anymore because the government has refused to help them out and it's too damn expensive to be handling them. This has resulted in some major long-term effects which have only become apparent now.
 
#38 ·
Elmahri said:
smussuw, I read the translation and it refers to Al Jaheleyah period when they used to kill thier childrens because they afraid of not getting enough money to raise them.
it doesn't apply on the subject we are not talking about killing childrens we are talking about not having lots of childrens
It is all related because we all believe that god is responsible for our wealth therfore if having small number of children because some are afriad of their economical level just show that some one have lack on his faith.
 
#39 ·
To elaborate on the point just raised, choosing to have seven kids for example, when you're a normal employee, isn't really "tawaakol" whereby you know for sure you can't afford it and you'll end up raising nobodies or don't have the patience for it but go ahead and do it anyway and rely on God for help. If you have a fair idea of what to expect and are aware that your quality of life might be below average, but you'll pull through anyway, and you'll work hard, it's "tawakkol".

Tawaakol and being careless is like the example I gave of the Sudanese guy who's unemployed and gets married and has a kid and doesn't even attempt to find a job. He's relying on help with no work on his part.

As long as people are fairly realistic in their expectations, there's nothing wrong with someone being satisfied with decreasing his quality of life by not travelling, not enlisting his kids in private schools, or not dining out in hotels or buying expensive clothes and rather settling for a Toyota station wagon instead of a luxury car for several members of the family in an "upper middle class" neighbourhood. So be it, some people are happier with a big family having a big family dinner in their small house.
 
#40 ·
One more thing. Limiting number of kids was discussed by religious scientest all over the islamic history. From what I've read so far all of the fatawa being said by them prohibited limiting number of kids without a reasonable reason like the wife's health.
 
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