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Old December 29th, 2011, 07:37 AM   #6481
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American situation is very different from the European one. In the old continent we speak several different language within few hundreds of km. Everything should be written in both local language and English but using symbols is even better.
I really like the Italian symbols. The one that says that there are no road markings for example: A sign with a paint brush on it...
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:26 AM   #6482
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I really like the Italian symbols. The one that says that there are no road markings for example: A sign with a paint brush on it...
Yeah, symbols are very clear. But I was referring to written texts in Italian only.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 02:34 PM   #6483
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Senso unico parallelo pisses me off. I used to live in Naples, you can only ever turn left there and you can never go home
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Old December 29th, 2011, 04:33 PM   #6484
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Senso unico parallelo pisses me off. I used to live in Naples, you can only ever turn left there and you can never go home
You mean this?

It had been replaced by the one below in 1992, although is still possible see it in some places:

IMHO the new one is better because more "international".
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Old December 29th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #6485
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Yeah that's the one, alright. Is it possible that some places use the new sign but add a second sign with the Italian "Senso unico" underneath? I think I may have seen it... Or maybe it only exists in my mind.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #6486
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Yeah that's the one, alright. Is it possible that some places use the new sign but add a second sign with the Italian "Senso unico" underneath? I think I may have seen it... Or maybe it only exists in my mind.
Wow, that would be absurd and useless, never seen anywhere. But since everything is possible with Italian signage expecially in the south it may be possible.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 05:12 PM   #6487
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Well maybe I'm just confusing it with the old sign. Let's not pass a verdict on the Mezzogiorno just yet
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #6488
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Absolute off topic but there was a case 20-30 years ago, a Hungarian tourist got lost in Rome. She had the embassy's phone number and called them for getting help. The officer asked: 'Where are you now, Madame? Please check street name signs!'. And the answer was: 'I can clearly see the sign, I'm in Senso Unico street!'.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #6489
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Same joke applies to the American that got lost in the Einbahnstrasse somewhere in Germany...
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Old December 30th, 2011, 08:58 AM   #6490
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Same joke applies to the American that got lost in the Einbahnstrasse somewhere in Germany...
...in the city of Ausfahrt.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 11:31 AM   #6491
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...in the city of Ausfahrt.
Once I eavesdropped a conversation in a restaurant about people who got lost in Austria and said: 'how long is that city, it has many exits.'
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Old December 31st, 2011, 01:44 AM   #6492
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Also important to remark to the non-Dutch speakers: "open" means the same thing in Dutch as it does in English. So it's not looked at as a foreign language in the Netherlands
I was about to ask - I can't make the sign out clearly. It says "open 24h"? So what's the issue, the "h"?
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Old December 31st, 2011, 01:47 AM   #6493
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24h is clearely understood everywhere in the world, 0-24 and 24/7 too, as well km for kilometers, WC for toilet,... signs should be clear for everywere not like the Italians "tutte le direzioni", "eccetto residenti e autorizzati", "zona a traffico limitato" and many others.
"0-24" wouldn't be obvious to me, actually. Perhaps because Americans mostly use the 12-hour clock. (It's currently 6:46 p.m. here, for example). We do this sort of thing specifically to annoy Continentals. ;-)
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Old December 31st, 2011, 02:16 AM   #6494
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...in the city of Ausfahrt.
Like in the Netherlands, in the city of UIT
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old December 31st, 2011, 10:37 AM   #6495
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"0-24" wouldn't be obvious to me, actually. Perhaps because Americans mostly use the 12-hour clock. (It's currently 6:46 p.m. here, for example). We do this sort of thing specifically to annoy Continentals. ;-)
The Americans tend to use an expression "24 hours" rather frequently instead of "one day". That is why I do not believe the expression 0-24 would be a complete disaster to be understood.

Anyway, using symbols instead of text is rather obvious in Europe because of dozens of languages belonging to several language families. For example, the following signs would be somewhat challenging to foreigners:

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There are some exceptions within Europe. I'm wondering what Penn's Woods may think about it.

In France, for instance, these 2 irritating signs:



Moroccans understood it much better than us, Frenchies :


Spaniards even better:
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How does it look in the Netherlands ? I've never seen such sign there.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 02:27 PM   #6497
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How does it look in the Netherlands ? I've never seen such sign there.
Same as in Morocco, combination of symbol and Dutch text ("ontsteek uw lichten"). See for instance here in front of the Schipholtunnel:

http://maps.google.com/?ll=52.312157...2,48.75,,0,6.4
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And this is what it looks like in Belgium: "Lichten aan" with a symbol:

http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.170735...19882552244016
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Old December 31st, 2011, 03:43 PM   #6499
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Time for a lookback at what was achieved in the Netherlands this year;

* road widenings completed:

* A1 Watergraafsmeer - Diemen: shoulder running
* A1 Diemen - Muiderberg: 2nd reversible lane
* A1 Bussum - Eemnes: shoulder running
* A2 Holendrecht - Maarssen: widening to 2x5 lanes completed
* A2 Maarssen - Oudenrijn: temporary 2x4 widening completed
* A2 Oudenrijn - Everdingen: widening to 2x4 lanes completed
* A4 De Nieuwe Meer - Badhoevedorp: shoulder running
* A9 Badhoevedorp - velsen: shoulder running
* A9 Uitgeest - Alkmaar: shoulder running
* A10: Amsterdam-Zuid: shoulder running
* A12: Zoetermeer: shoulder running
* A27: Everdingen - Lunetten: shoulder running
* A28: Zwolle - Meppel: widening to 2x3/2x4 lanes completed
* A50: Valburg - Grijsoord: widening to 2x3 lanes completed

Motorways widened: 79 kilometers (192 lane kilometers)
Shoulder running added: 54 kilometers (95 shoulder kilometers)

New motorways: 0 kilometers

Milestones:

* record of decision: A4 Dinteloord - Halsteren (new 2x2)
* record of decision: A1/A6/A9 Schiphol - Amsterdam - Almere flagship megaproject (widening)
* record of decision: A2 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven widening (2x3)
* record of decision: A12 Ede - Grijsoord widening (2x3)
* preferred alternative: A24 Blankenburg Tunnel (2x3, Rotterdam)
* preferred alternative: A13-A16 link (2x2, Rotterdam)
* preferred alternative: A4 Den Haag bypass widening (local-express)

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2012:

Projects planned to be completed in 2012:

* A2: opening tunnel Leidsche Rijn (10 lanes)
* A5: Raasdorp - Coen Tunnel (2x2 lanes, new motorway, unlikely to be put into service before 2013)
* A10: Second Coen Tunnel (widening from 4 to 9 lanes, unlikely to be put into service before 2013)
* A12: Gouda - Woerden: 4th eastbound lane
* A12: Waterberg - Velperbroek: widening to 2x3 lanes
* A27: Lunetten - Rijnsweerd: widening to 6 northbound lanes
* A28: Utrecht - Amersfoort: widening to 2x3 lanes
* A28: Amersfoort bypass: shoulder running (temporary)
* A74: Venlo - Germany link, 2x2 lanes, new motorway (likely to open in April 2012)

Projects planned to start construction;

* A1 Watergraafsmeer - Diemen: widening to 2x4 lanes
* A1 Diemen - Muiderberg: widening to 12 lanes
* A2 's-Hertogenbosch - Eindhoven: widening to 2x3 lanes
* A4 Delft - Schiedam: 2+3 lanes, new motorway
* A4 Dinteloord - Halsteren: 2x2 lanes, new motorway
* A10 Amstel - Watergraafsmeer: widening to 2x4 lanes
* A12 Ede - Grijsoord: widening to 2x3 lanes
* A15: Maasvlakte - Vaanplein: widening to 10 lanes (preperatory works already commenced)
* N31: Leeuwarden bypass (2x2 expressway)
* N61: Hoek - Schoondijke: new 2x2 expressway
* N62: Sluiskil Tunnel near Terneuzen (2x2 lanes)
* N62: Westerschelde Tunnel - A58 upgrade (2x2 lanes)

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Old December 31st, 2011, 05:53 PM   #6500
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Wow, that would be absurd and useless, never seen anywhere. But since everything is possible with Italian signage expecially in the south it may be possible.
Just as useless as the French ´cedez le passage´ titles underneath triangle signs.

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In France, for instance, these 2 irritating signs:
The french don't understand it either, since I don't see many people putting their headlights on in the small tunnels on the BP, for instance.

The french also use the textual sign: 'Voie véhicules lentements' (slow vehicle lane) with the same lay-out. That would be harder to symbolize, though.
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