daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:29 PM   #7561
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

There are currently 3 lanes on A28 until the eastern merge of De Uithof interchange (so basically only 1 km). The third lane is finished all the way up to Amersfoort though. I will post some photos of that later.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #7562
keokiracer
Roadgeek from NL
 
keokiracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Halsteren (NL)
Posts: 3,669
Likes (Received): 2624

So the third lane starts at Den Dolder going westbound? Any particular reason for the eastbound direction not being 3 lanes yet until Den Dolder?
keokiracer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #7563
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

Procedures probably, the westbound direction was an existing shoulder running facility, hence three lanes were already in use (in practice most of the day). The final record of decision of this project has not been taken yet, all works done until now is "renovation". A28 became much more quiet by the way, now the concrete slabs have been replaced by porous asphalt.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #7564
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

A28 Utrecht - Amersfoort widening

Some photos of A28 near Soesterberg. If we're unlucky, the third lane will not open until mid-2013.

image hosted on flickr

A28 Soesterberg 30-06-2012-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A28 Soesterberg 30-06-2012-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A28 Soesterberg 30-06-2012-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A28 Soesterberg 30-06-2012-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A28 Soesterberg 30-06-2012-5 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #7565
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,352
Likes (Received): 2031

Maybe you already wrote that and I missed it, but how come the third lane opening is next year? From the pictures it seems it is almost ready...
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:57 PM   #7566
keokiracer
Roadgeek from NL
 
keokiracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Halsteren (NL)
Posts: 3,669
Likes (Received): 2624


Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Procedures probably, the westbound direction was an existing shoulder running facility, hence three lanes were already in use (in practice most of the day). The final record of decision of this project has not been taken yet, all works done until now is "renovation". A28 became much more quiet by the way, now the concrete slabs have been replaced by porous asphalt.
keokiracer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #7567
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,352
Likes (Received): 2031

Sorry about that
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #7568
snowdog
Speed freak
 
snowdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Capelle ad ijssel
Posts: 969
Likes (Received): 92

Wow, nice, the Utrecht area is much better then, with the A28, A27, A12 and A2 widenings...

Now just Rotterdam left...

Last edited by snowdog; June 30th, 2012 at 08:55 PM.
snowdog no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 10:49 PM   #7569
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Yes, I don't think it will be much of a problem to upgrade the southside of the Rotterdam orbital, but the east, north and westside is all elevated, with built up areas on each side. How would they do it, without plunging the entire city into chaos?
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #7570
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,188
Likes (Received): 760

A2 Maastricht tunnel on TunnelTalk.com: http://tunneltalk.com/Netherlands-Ju...eck-tunnel.php
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #7571
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

Nice article, not like the ones in the media which are very superficial and full of errors. The A2 Leidsche Rijn Tunnel in Utrecht also has a left shoulder to enhance viewing distances in curves to the left. Some flyovers also have this.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old June 30th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #7572
keokiracer
Roadgeek from NL
 
keokiracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Halsteren (NL)
Posts: 3,669
Likes (Received): 2624

The only thing wrong in the entire article is that they call the current road through Maastricht A2 in stead of N2.

In Dutch articles which are roadrelated you can get numerous mistakes in one single article. Especially local newspapers are good at that
keokiracer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 12:06 AM   #7573
snowdog
Speed freak
 
snowdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Capelle ad ijssel
Posts: 969
Likes (Received): 92

Quote:
Originally Posted by Road_UK View Post
Yes, I don't think it will be much of a problem to upgrade the southside of the Rotterdam orbital, but the east, north and westside is all elevated, with built up areas on each side. How would they do it, without plunging the entire city into chaos?
Create alternatives. The A16 is fine capacity wise afaik southway, from Tebregge you get 2+2+1 lane merging into 5, then splitting up into 3+2, basically the problem there is caused by bad weaving behavior of motorists at the start and end of the parallel lanes.

North iirc there are little jams except when the A20 is stuck or the parralel lanes near Ridderster.

A20&A13 simply need alternative routes, so finish the A4 and the A16>A13 link asap. Upgrading the A20, especially around kleinpolderplein is not even worth thinking about imho, unless they want to stack a motorway on top of it and make it double deck! A lot of people have nothing to look for there are are going in the direction of the Hague, do you think they would voulintarily drive over the A20&A13 if they had an alternative ?


And of course the A4 Beneluxtunnel is all Wilders's fault, if he didnt declare the Blankenberg tunnel controversial we'd have 1 less thing to worry about.

Rotterdam has all the plans ready to fix 99% of the problems, they are just not hurrying enough doing them...

The only project I miss is the A4 extention near Portugaal to the A29 ...

Last edited by snowdog; July 1st, 2012 at 12:12 AM.
snowdog no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 12:18 AM   #7574
julesstoop
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Leiden, The Netherlands
Posts: 1,332
Likes (Received): 79

Interesting link, Coccodrillo! Thanks.
__________________
--
Lapinisme blijft relevant...
julesstoop no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 01:04 PM   #7575
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

A2 / A12 / A27 Utrecht Ring Road

I made a video of the Utrecht Ring Road. (The motorway parts).

ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 02:44 PM   #7576
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

Traffic congestion top 10

The Dutch motorist and tourist association ANWB reports the Top 10 traffic congestion spots as follows:



The former #1 was A4 at Leiderdorp, currently #5 based on the first half of 2012, but will likely fall out of the top 10 if only Q2 2012 is considered because of the widening to 2x3 lanes.

Traffic congestion declined structurally, despite traffic volumes remaining the same or being slightly higher. Traffic congestion is 30% less than it was six years ago.

The current #1 is the southbound A50 where roadworks for a widening to 2x4 lanes obstruct the traffic flow. This spot will likely fall out of the top 10 by mid/late 2013 when the new bridge will open with 2x3 lanes temporary. The existing bridge will be renovated in 2014, after which full 2x4 capacity will be available.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 03:15 PM   #7577
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,435
Likes (Received): 3416

wonderful traffic managment in that video
tell me: i have noticed a lot of totso's and intersections (not exits but intersections) on NL motorways. how hard it is generally for a foreigner to get along with it? for instance, i am lazy driver and i am used not to change main direction each while. would it be hard to me to drive there?
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 03:38 PM   #7578
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

The motorway network in central, southern and western Netherlands falls between a metropolitan area like motorway network and a national motorway network. Hence, distances between motorway interchanges are generally short, in many areas not more than 30 kilometers. East-west motorways are often not more than 20 kilometers apart; for instance A1, A12, A15, A59, A58 are all relatively close to eachother.

So one should expect to pay more attention than say driving in France where the next important junction is 100 kilometers away. The Netherlands generally has an east-west / north south grid network, so if you drive diagonally through the country, one should expect TOTSO's. For example if you drive from Germany to Amsterdam, you have to change motorways at Utrecht and maybe again at Amsterdam to get on the beltway.

But the Dutch motorway signage is generally of high standard and it is easy to navigate using cities. Especially now they've introduced the "network cities", which means main cities like Rotterdam, Utrecht and Amsterdam are signposted throughout the country.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 1st, 2012, 04:00 PM   #7579
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,435
Likes (Received): 3416

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post

But the Dutch motorway signage is generally of high standard and it is easy to navigate using cities. Especially now they've introduced the "network cities", which means main cities like Rotterdam, Utrecht and Amsterdam are signposted throughout the country.
yep, that "network cities" thing is good because average driver knows for Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht, Eindhoven, and has heard of Arnhem, Gronningen, Maastricht and Nijmegen, but isn't sure where they are
also there are many destinations signed on NL signs, so main destinations signed everywhere is very welcome.
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2012, 10:54 AM   #7580
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,290
Likes (Received): 18964

The speed limit was raised today on the following sections, all from 80 to 100 km/h;

* A10 West Amsterdam both directions
* A12 Den Haag outbound
* A13 near Overschie both directions
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
congestion, dutch, friesland, highways, motorways, netherlands

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu