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Old March 28th, 2007, 02:33 AM   #141
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I've looked in lots of windows lately.....I'm jurassic lint at the mo.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #142
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I think that Digbeth is the most underated part of the city.. so much potential that should be weened off the back of the success of Bullring.. wasn't this part of town once called Corn Cheaping? and Deritend?
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P.S Obvious answer to thread. NO. London is and always will be.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 02:59 AM   #145
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P.S Obvious answer to thread. NO. London is and always will be.
I'll buy you a ticket.. pay for your rent and bung you a few quid to help you set up there, is it a deal??? sounds good to me Sim, you'd be better off by the sounds of things, Brum just isn't helping you is it? Maybe time to move on (kicks him up the ******* ass)

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Old March 28th, 2007, 03:18 AM   #146
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I'm nodding my head in agreement so vigourously here, I fear I may induce some kind of haemorrhage.
I have been to a few cities around the world where this idea seems to work, lower rents as they are in slightly less salubrious parts of town but that adds to the appeal, Brum has had some great indie shops over the years.. Oasis has housed a few and the old market in Digbeth used to have a couple of great Retro shops, I thin kit could be expanded further than just clothes though? This would have to be a council strategy to make it happen, a long term project with incentives to attract existing indie shops from far flung parts of the city.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:31 AM   #147
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Your always going to get someone who writes negatives about every city , your not going to please everyone .
Im coming down to Brum for the weekend in a few weeks , ( when the Red Army invades )
Indeed.

Hope you have a good weekend when you're down here! Make sure you check out the Snow Hill site - something to behold
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:50 AM   #148
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IMO we should be looking at forming a continuation of the High St using St Martin's Square as a stopgap, and then down Digbeth High St. I disagree with Prof Parkinson that the Oasis should move to the Jewellery Quarter - I don't see the current industries as being compatible with the more boho stuff that could be located Digbeth.

The Gun Quarter could be feasible, but it seems a pity to not use Digbeth's proximity to the Bullring. You would only need to go as far as the Custard Factory and you would have a great mix of designer shops, cheaper stores, cafes, studios etc like Manchester's Northern Quarter, but with a bit more to it.

John Bright St could be developed into a Top End location with designer stores, so a shopper would walk from Mailbox/Cube (which needs its own station IMO) via JBS then through the Bullring and either toward MG or Digbeth

The JQ can then become specialised and is more suited to antiques, jewellery, art, design
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:55 AM   #149
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IMO we should be looking at forming a continuation of the High St using St Martin's Square as a stopgap, and then down Digbeth High St. I disagree with Prof Parkinson that the Oasis should move to the Jewellery Quarter - I don't see the current industries as being compatible with the more boho stuff that could be located Digbeth.
Totally agree, that was what I envisaged, this is why I had to think about the purpose of the indoor markets, does anyone ever go in anymore? I know this sounds really bad but considering I used to frequent the old markets often I haven't stepped foot inside these since they were built, I've heard they are really interesting still?

Anyway, at present Custard Factory is an Oasis and needs to be linked back to the Bullring via a corridor of shops.
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St Martin's Market is pretty good, and the outdoor market is good for food. The Indoor Markets are a bit of a hotch potch tbh.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 11:38 AM   #151
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I think that Digbeth is the most underated part of the city.. so much potential that should be weened off the back of the success of Bullring.. wasn't this part of town once called Corn Cheaping? and Deritend?
Corn Cheaping was the Bull Ring.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 12:00 PM   #152
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Hence Cheapside?
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I'll buy you a ticket.. pay for your rent and bung you a few quid to help you set up there, is it a deal??? sounds good to me Sim, you'd be better off by the sounds of things, Brum just isn't helping you is it? Maybe time to move on (kicks him up the ******* ass)
Errr. Brums doing just fine as it is, but its never going to be the number 1 shopping destination of the country. Stop being a pillok. My oppinion. Yeh its great we have some top notch stores but if you honestly thing were leading the country I suggest you get your head checked
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Hence Cheapside?
mmm... I wonder why they changed the name

As I understand Digbeth used to be the heart of the town, this is another good reason to incorporate it back into the current city centre (to my mind I always think of Victoria Square as the city centre with the Town Hall as the main feature).
I know some time back Digbeth was supposed to be one of the most violent places in the UK, but I have a feeling these figures were based on population, I don't think there are many people living there but there are plenty of back street late night boozers which may have given a distorted figure.
It is ACTUALLY interesting to think that Digbeth could be the key to unlocking Brum's true potential as a world class shopping destination.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 01:07 PM   #155
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Do you know what the only ******* disappointing thing around here is... people who have no love for Birmingham, they are not REALLY interested in seeing the place do well, they hold little or no love and this is why we get all the negativity and no actual physical effort to change it, it's just a ******* good excuse for childish whinge, I mean how the ******* hell can the Bullring with record attendances and amazing shops be disappointing with regards to retail, I often travel into the city centre and I see a thriving busy city with great shops, no more empty units than anywhere else, fewer in fact, than many places I visit, the fact that a few more bohemian areas are needed is fair enough and I am sure we will get them probably as a result of the extra trrade bullring brings in but on the whole, lets compare Birmingham to Coventry... erm.. maybe not eh!
My post was aimed at some political parties in Brum, along with Marketing Birmingham.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 04:40 PM   #156
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I have recently checked out Birmingham in Visit Britain Guides in Paris Bookstores and in the Guide Routard 2007 The City of Birmingham has 10 pages, London has 14. It explains that Birmingham is transforming at such a rapid pace that probably any reliable guide needs to be updated every 3 months. Along with all usual places and shops that we all know it does say something that I have never seen mentioned on the threads. <Birmingham has managed to create a shopping centre that is a perfect continuation of the High Street, incorporating a church and then leads into the Market area and Chinese Quarter making it a wonderful mix where in Selfriges a dress can cost a fortune but 2 minutes away you can buy a length of material for few pounds and make your own.> According to Guide Routard <it is the only City in Europe that has been able to combine the elegance of Selfridges with a real market so seemlessly.> It finds the steets very clean, People are very helpful and there is not the indifference in Birmingham that is often found in London shops. Just for fun I checked on that rival of yours, well Manchester has 2 pages and it draws the conclusion that there is not a great deal of interest for the foreign tourist in the old northern mill town.
It's always interesting to hear what other countries are saying about our city. It goes to show that what most Brits think about Brum has no foundation. I can't work it out.

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Old March 28th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #157
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Hence Cheapside?
Cheapside is where the animal markets were but corn cheaping was where, well, all the corn markets were really. Corn Cheaping was a different place to the Bull Ring but Telford Boy isn't wrong either as it was connected to it. If we put Corn Cheaping on a map now, it cut through Moor Street Station and head up to Millennium Point. Park Street follows a similar route.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 09:58 PM   #158
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mmm.. kind of agree with you, but also appreciate the point that Mathieu has raised, personally, I remember the old Bullring and I think the markets seem to be slightly cut off from the rest of the development, in fact I struggle to place the re housed markets, I know the building, trouble is.. if this were to be moved where would it go? I think it needs better advertising, I still reckon info pods situated around the city would be a good idea.. you could pay for a print out of the city's offerings with a map
Hmm i think you have misunderstood me i am not talking about the Bullring Markets (including the Rag market) but the very large Wholesale and Horticultural Market over the road from them... they are probably equivalent to 6 city blocks worth of land and could easily be relocated to a site outside of the city centre as their function is not dependent on their location being there.

This would open up Digbeth and drive foot fall through the Bullring markets helping to increase trade. It would also give an opportunity to reroute the traffic that is over crowding Upper Dean St by making it one way with the other direction if traffic using new route through the middle of the site.
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This is what i'm talking about...

The Wholesale Markets are huge bigger than the 6 city blocks i said earlier even.






And here's a really rough idea of what could be done..

Think of all the opportunities for retail development and more..It's all a bit of a random connect up the roads sort of design but the important point is that the park i have put in the middle is the same size as pigeon park (the area around the cathedral) just showing the opportunities this site presents. It would be the largest development site in the city and a complete blank canvas.

btw yellow's roads and dark grey's pedestrians

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Old March 29th, 2007, 12:25 AM   #160
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I'd love to see something like that Engels. Bringing the ground level streets and walkways back to the pedestrians with another Brindley Place style mix here. At the moment the Markets are actually sunken into the ground from Upper Dean St which looks weird.
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