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Old April 20th, 2017, 12:26 PM   #16141
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Core blimey. The excitement contained in the story of this building's history really does make life worth living.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #16142
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Honestly if Eastenders was a skyscraper. The amount of drama surrounding this tower merits a film
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Old April 20th, 2017, 01:41 PM   #16143
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I have no idea what they are actually building anymore.... anyone?
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Old April 20th, 2017, 02:53 PM   #16144
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I have no idea what they are actually building anymore.... anyone?
Big tower. Probably ugly.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 02:07 AM   #16145
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I fully gave up on this nonsense. No hope.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:15 AM   #16146
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It's a shocking indictment of the City of London planning department that halfway during construction, they don't seem to know or care what the second tallest building in London will look like. They are incompetent.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:16 AM   #16147
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Yes, the core site is massive. As soon as that structure starts caressing them, thats when it'll all get even more exciting.
The not knowing is exciting. So long as the constructors know where to put it, then it should all come together.
And so long as there is a viewing deck. The views of the City around and below will surely be awesome
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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:20 PM   #16148
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While i have never been a fan of the flat top design or the bulk (alot of people aren't) i always maintained that the tower would have great soar and dominance from the ground, and hopefully the original stepped design is what they continue building or possibly one with a spire or crown and hopefully they keep it 278-metres, though if rumours are true, it may have a height increase, but we'll have to wait and see.

Also, i hope the cladding is of the best quality. Nothing worse than a tall, dominant skyscraper with poor quality cladding.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:34 PM   #16149
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Is there a render of the actual design they're going for now? I'm so confused which one is being built!
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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:54 PM   #16150
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If the argument for reducing the height was due to the cranes I cannot see them increasing again to the original height. Also a 'spire' is certainly out of the question; it would look awful and for what purpose? - just a spike or aerial on a massive top - you're not going to get a Chrysler I'm afraid! Whatever is finally realised (built I should say) is not going to appeal to everyone. But the elevations must be of the highest quality otherwise....
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Old April 21st, 2017, 06:02 PM   #16151
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OWTC , though taller with faceted sides, has the added spire / mast and doesnt impair its appearance IMO. Although that was down to the 1776 and reaching that at cost effectiveness. I dont think a spire would look shite
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Old April 21st, 2017, 07:57 PM   #16152
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developers submitted a new application to reduce the height of the tower by three storeys because of what the City described as “construction management constraints in relation to aviation safeguarding issues”.

PLP’s design and access statement for the tower said a new interpretation of safety rules meant National Air Traffic Services would not authorise the height of the tower cranes required for efficient and safe construction beyond a maximum height 309.6m – meaning approximately 35m would need to be subtracted from that height to account for crane size.

PLP’s tweaked proposals drop the tower’s height from 295m to 272m but compensate for the loss of floorspace by replacing the stepped-back design of the earlier scheme’s upper storeys with a “flat-top” proposal that has larger high-level floorplans.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/aircraft-r...086978.article

Given that, as gravesVpelli says, a height increase seems unlikely.

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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:24 PM   #16153
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Luffing boom vs Horizontal jib

If that's one of the main reasons then why can't they replace the Luffing boom with a Horizontal jib tower crane?
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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:32 PM   #16154
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The cost of over sailing rights probably
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Old April 21st, 2017, 10:48 PM   #16155
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Yep i think a flat but higher top might be better. But more in place with CW.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 02:46 AM   #16156
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I think the reduction in height was just an excuse if i'm honest, and someonem mention a few pages back that rumours persist that they found out that 1 Undershaft would be taller so they may ask for a height increase, who knows?

Anyways, the reduced height tower hasn't been aproved, only the 278-metre tower currently which is what they're building if i'm not mistaken.

A decent crown or spire wouldn't look outta place either
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 10:22 AM   #16157
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so much pointless talk. please more photo updates anyone
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 10:46 AM   #16158
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so much pointless talk. please more photo updates anyone


No, its not pointless. This is what a forum is for. Until one knows what will happen, it is fair game to speculate - what the media does all the time!
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 01:02 PM   #16159
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A spire would look awful, completely out of place in the skyline. I liked the Pinnacle, what was wrong with the Pinnacle? It had grace, a spire would look vain and competitive. If it's a spire London is basically ruined.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 01:27 PM   #16160
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Someone did a good mockup on how a spire could be made to look good. Quite a few pages back and got fed up of clicking SSL warning popups trying to find it, but it was good.
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