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Old May 14th, 2006, 07:07 AM   #41
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Soulbrotha- why does everyone hat the Museum Plaza. I think it is a work of art and is beautiful. Parisians thought the Eiffel Tower was horrendous but now its one the most visited landmarks in the world. Museum Plaza will probably be the same. It is like taking architecture into a new time period like the Eiffel did. BTW i think it is a magnificent addition. Don't listen to what the others say. Their cities cannot build something unique like yours can and I applaud you guys for doing that.

yeah, people need to understand that its not a just a skyscraper (a verticle box) its more of a landmark with a purpose.
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Old May 14th, 2006, 07:19 AM   #42
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I think Museum Plaza will look very dated in 10 years if built now. Can't they do something risky and different and have it look good and fit in with the city?

I think Louisville's skyline is too beautiful for Museum Plaza. MP would ruin it.
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Old May 14th, 2006, 07:32 AM   #43
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museum plaza is getting good reviews all aroudn the world. i just found this

The New Age of the Skyscraper


Fiera Milano



Hearst Bldg New York City



New York Times Bldg



Turning Tower Malmo Sweden

Slate website recently posted a well written and stunning illustrated story of the world's most magnificent skyscrapers, both presently constructed and still on the drawing boards. The existing structures include the familiar Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, the "Twisting Towers" in Sweden, and the "Pickle Building" in London, but it's the proposed skyscrapers which really amaze with their new and exciting forms.

It's presented as a "slide show" with running commentary, but fortunately doesn't seem to be Flash-based, so you can save the images to your hard drive.

Slate architecture critic Wiltold Rybczynski includes the following in his "golden age of skyscrapers":

* Petronas Towers, Kuala Lumpur
* Hearst Building, New York, by Norman Foster
* Swiss Re building, London, aka "the Pickle"
* Toree Agbar, Barcelona
* Brickell Flatiron, Miami
* Residential Tower, Dubai
* Turning Torso, Malmo, Sweden
* Museum Plaza, Louisville, Kentucky
* New York Times Building by Frank Ghery
* Fiera Milano, Milan
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museum plaza is in great company
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Old May 14th, 2006, 07:38 AM   #44
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Louisville wants an icon, too. The recently unveiled design for Museum Plaza rises 61 stories, though it's not exactly a skyscraper. Joshua Prince-Ramus, the head of Office for Metropolitan Architecture Office for Metropolitan Architecture's New York operation, has likened it to a chair. "One leg will contain the hotel, another lofts, the third a vertical elevator, the fourth the angled glass elevator. Two towers will have luxury condos, the third an office tower." The seat of the chair, more than 20 stories up in the air, houses a museum of contemporary art. This spectacular composition will dominate Louisville's skyline, which also includes (at right) one of the last 1960s-era gridded boxes to come from the office of Mies van der Rohe—sandwiched here between Philip Johnson and John Burgee's domed neoclassical tower and Michael Graves' controversial Postmodern icon, the Humana Building, now looking rather tame.



Museum Plaza, Louisville, Ky. (Office for Metropolitan Architecture). Image courtesy Office for Metropolitan Architecture.

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Old May 14th, 2006, 07:44 AM   #45
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See, those desings above are daring, but not too weird.

I can't deny that Museum Plaza's isn't innovative or creative though. It is very much both of the two.
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I find it amusing that people seem to consider Nash this uber-dense city compared to Jax.
I don't know where you saw that, but okay. I have never said, nor anyone else on here, that Nashville is "uber-dense". The CORE is dense, but everything outside of that, minus a few districts, is just like anyother typical southern city that saw the 50's and 60's in a wrecking ball kinda way. It really doesn't take a nuclear scientist to see the difference in the two skylines. But opinons are everyones right, and what I say on here is mine, LOL!! Unless stated otherwise of course.


Justin, who me? Get a big head about the number of things happening here as compared to other places in the south? Never! LOL!!
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Old May 14th, 2006, 08:37 PM   #47
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for the doubters..museum plaza is moving along pretty good.

Groundbreaking is planned for early next year.

The developers recently announced they've hired Minneapolis-based Mortenson Co., which built the Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles, as construction manager.

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Sounds great soul...
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Old May 14th, 2006, 08:59 PM   #49
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for the doubters..museum plaza is moving along pretty good.

Groundbreaking is planned for early next year.

The developers recently announced they've hired Minneapolis-based Mortenson Co., which built the Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles, as construction manager.

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How many units have been sold?
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how am i supposed to know? i didnt know the project was dependent on "unit sales" either. its not going to be finished untill 2010 anyway.
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Old May 14th, 2006, 09:21 PM   #51
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how am i supposed to know? i didnt know the project was dependent on "unit sales" either. its not going to be finished untill 2010 anyway.

Well I was just wondering considering you seem to have all the info on this tower. Groundbreaking and all would make one think that a pre-sell date is set for the condo units in it. You odn't build a tower like that if you can't PRE-SELL the units in it. That museum will not, in any way, support the expenses of that towers day-to-day operation. Nor will the leasing agreements in the mixed-use portion of it provide enough money flow. I am positive it will get enough in pre-sell to get off the gorund. I was just wondering IF it had already started and if so, how many have been specualted to be pre-sold?
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all the info is in that article..its not like i'm on the phone with OMA
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And the density and number of buildings in both Jax and Nash appear comparable to me. I find it amusing that people seem to consider Nash this uber-dense city compared to Jax.
uber-dense ? Please! I'm just comparing the two cities since those seem to be the two getting most of the attention. That is what this thread is about isn't it?

Btw I believe I saw somewhere that Nashville had a strong lead in the number of buildings.
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it doesn't really matter about the number of buildings a city has... if they aren't all downtown it wouldn't really have an impact on the main skyline.
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if they aren't all downtown it wouldn't really have an impact on the main skyline.
Which is the case with all of the cities mentioned here.
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Don't care what anyone says, I'm extremely excited about this sucker.



And while it isnt a building, this is one of the two most popular designs for the new bridge downtown. (The other is very boring and generic. Just like all the old, visionless farts in Louisville who like it)



If this one gets built, it will offer a very attractive addition to the skyline from certain views.
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I like that last design alot! Cable Stayed bridges are really nice additions to any city or town.
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Unfortunately, there is a lot of support for this yawnable bore:

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Really? Why? Is it going to be cheaper or are the NIMBY's beating up on the first design?
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Well I was just wondering considering you seem to have all the info on this tower. Groundbreaking and all would make one think that a pre-sell date is set for the condo units in it. You odn't build a tower like that if you can't PRE-SELL the units in it. That museum will not, in any way, support the expenses of that towers day-to-day operation. Nor will the leasing agreements in the mixed-use portion of it provide enough money flow. I am positive it will get enough in pre-sell to get off the gorund. I was just wondering IF it had already started and if so, how many have been specualted to be pre-sold?
The condos are only part of the project, there is also the hotel and the office space. From what I've read in the past they are already in talks with atleast one company interested in office space for that segment of the building. I'm sure they will presell units, but I don't know if there will be any presell requirements.
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