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Old May 15th, 2006, 08:16 AM   #61
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It really doesn't take a nuclear scientist to see the difference in the two skylines.
It doesn't, and the differences appear to be rather minor to me. I'll give the definite nod to Nashville once Signature is built.
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Old May 15th, 2006, 10:48 AM   #62
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Jax skyline just doesn't do it for me. I may change my mind in 5 years if many of the proposed go up. According to Emporis, all three cities seem to have a similar raw number of buildings.

Nashville gets the nod due to sig tower and bellsouth but I think Louisville has by far the best architecture of the three, especially in the realm of mid and low rises.
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Old May 15th, 2006, 12:13 PM   #63
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Don't forget Emporis is inaccurate. I'd advise to check the link I posted earlier for the complete Jax list. You may have to do the same with the other two cities as well.
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Old May 15th, 2006, 12:22 PM   #64
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Don't forget Emporis is inaccurate. I'd advise to check the link I posted earlier for the complete Jax list. You may have to do the same with the other two cities as well.

Good point Lakelander, but Emporis is by far the most accurate source we have. Plus if it is off, it is probably equally off for all three metros. I think all three are similar sized cities with fairly equal skylines and it wouldn't be shocking if you picked one or another.

What's more is all three of these cities seem to be experiencing a mini boom. I think we are going to see a few more cities in the SE become major national centers like Atlanta, and the question is which ones. Could it be one or all three of these? Only time will tell. Projects like Museum Plaza and Sig Tower are pretty damn impressive though and says that these cities are ready to play ball.
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Old May 15th, 2006, 01:10 PM   #65
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why not just go out in your city and count the number of high rises yourself? can't get anymore accurate than that.
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Old May 15th, 2006, 02:28 PM   #66
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Well, I do think that Jacksonville has the most potential and its setting on this list is second to none! BUT, I think that Nashville will be the best. I don't care, but I loathe Museum Plaza. I have tried to warm to it and I can't. IMO, it will hurt downtown Louisville more than help!
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Old May 15th, 2006, 06:19 PM   #67
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why not just go out in your city and count the number of high rises yourself? can't get anymore accurate than that.
I have a Jax list readily available. Emporis leaves off over 10 buildings, proposed/approved in downtown over 30 stories, as well as several in the 10-29 story range. Most of these towers are a part of 4 mega development sites (The Shipyards, St. Johns Point, San Marco Riverwalk Village and San Marco Riverfront District). Emporis also lists some active projects (Berkman II) as dead ones, completed projects as under reconstruction and leaves off a heap of older towers currently being reconstructed into lofts. I'll provide the list, links, etc. if L-ville and N-ville forumers are willing to provide theirs (for the sake of comparison) and to provide a better understanding of the development boom down here. If no one else from the other cities is willing to do the same, then I'll save my time and not bother.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 12:48 AM   #68
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Old May 16th, 2006, 01:38 AM   #69
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Well, I do think that Jacksonville has the most potential and its setting on this list is second to none! BUT, I think that Nashville will be the best. I don't care, but I loathe Museum Plaza. I have tried to warm to it and I can't. IMO, it will hurt downtown Louisville more than help!
I don't care what you say, but 61 story twin towers with condos, office, lofts, luxury hotel, contemporary art museum, graduate arts program, retail, and restuarants designed by an internationally respected architect cannot "hurt" a city.

I see that you are from Indy...imagine parts of Circle Center, the art museum, One Market Square, Chase Tower and the Conrad all mixed into one project (actually Louisville will probably get a Westin there according to what I have read). Regardless of your distaste for the exterior, that is one hell of a project. And either way, it is one of the largest towers going up in the Midwest or Southern US and will have a huge impact on the skyline.

Doesn't Louisville have several more 15-20 story buildings planned in downtown? What about the Riverpark Place development?

I must agree that Jax has the most potential though! Again, we will wait and see if all three of these cities build what they say they will!
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I'm going with Nashville, thanks to signature tower. I love Louisville's skyline, but Museum Plaza is atrocious. And Jacksonville's skyline seems to be developing fairly well.
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Old May 16th, 2006, 08:44 AM   #71
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I don't care what you say, but 61 story twin towers with condos, office, lofts, luxury hotel, contemporary art museum, graduate arts program, retail, and restuarants designed by an internationally respected architect cannot "hurt" a city.

I see that you are from Indy...imagine parts of Circle Center, the art museum, One Market Square, Chase Tower and the Conrad all mixed into one project (actually Louisville will probably get a Westin there according to what I have read). Regardless of your distaste for the exterior, that is one hell of a project. And either way, it is one of the largest towers going up in the Midwest or Southern US and will have a huge impact on the skyline.

Doesn't Louisville have several more 15-20 story buildings planned in downtown? What about the Riverpark Place development?

I must agree that Jax has the most potential though! Again, we will wait and see if all three of these cities build what they say they will!
I can't believe I didn't think about that development, I'm not sure how many high rises there will be, but I do know that there are 1,500 units planned. From what I know the project is still going along, there are signs at the sight. The only thing is that project isn't exactly downtown but right downriver, maybe 1.5 to 2 miles at the most. There is also planned to be at least a 15 story high rise planned along with the arena complex. It will house at least a 475 room 3-4 star hotel with the possibility of 600 and 25 condos. So if you add these two projects in and I say there are around five 15-20 story towers (with the arena tower possibly being taller if it's built with 600 rooms and 25 condos) not listed on emporis.
Whether or not it will push Louisville ahead, too early to tell, as far as number of skyscrapers, probably not, but quality wise, I don't, Louisville could give either of the other two a run for their money. Louisville was larger and more prominent at the beginning of the century so we have a nice collection of historic high rises, greater so that the two other cities in the list. This is the factor that distinguishes Louisville from a lot of southern cities; it's something that many cities in the south could be envious of, and something that they cannot have (unless they find out how to go back in time). We also have buildings such as Aegon and Humana, which I believe have more character than their glass and steel counterparts.
As far as Museum Plaza, think of it what you want but the fact is, it is getting a lot of attention in the architectural world. As much as I like it, I must say my first reaction was "what the f**k", the more I look at it, the more I like it though. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that it demands attention, and if built I believe it will become one of the most recognizable buildings in the country. So who will have a better skyline in five years? I say wait five year to answer that question, they’re much more to that question than number of skyscrapers.
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well go see a doctor

i think a lot of people seriously need to watch the video, which puts the building in context. I don't know of any other building being built that will have among other amenities, a hotel, restaurants, a farmers market, a grocery store, condominiums, lofts, office space, and other retail. It will house Louisville’s largest contemporary art museum as well as the University of Louisville’s Master of Fine Arts program. ....

what else can yo uask for?
as far as skyline goes, its like having two 50 + story towers built in one. it will add a lot














Hey soul where did you find these pics, they show how Museum Plaza will fit very well. One question though, in the pic that show the skyline from the river, what are those other buildings between Humana and MP?
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I can't believe I didn't think about that development, I'm not sure how many high rises there will be, but I do know that there are 1,500 units planned. From what I know the project is still going along, there are signs at the sight. The only thing is that project isn't exactly downtown but right downriver, maybe 1.5 to 2 miles at the most. There is also planned to be at least a 15 story high rise planned along with the arena complex. It will house at least a 475 room 3-4 star hotel with the possibility of 600 and 25 condos. So if you add these two projects in and I say there are around five 15-20 story towers (with the arena tower possibly being taller if it's built with 600 rooms and 25 condos) not listed on emporis.
Whether or not it will push Louisville ahead, too early to tell, as far as number of skyscrapers, probably not, but quality wise, I don't, Louisville could give either of the other two a run for their money. Louisville was larger and more prominent at the beginning of the century so we have a nice collection of historic high rises, greater so that the two other cities in the list. This is the factor that distinguishes Louisville from a lot of southern cities; it's something that many cities in the south could be envious of, and something that they cannot have (unless they find out how to go back in time). We also have buildings such as Aegon and Humana, which I believe have more character than their glass and steel counterparts.
As far as Museum Plaza, think of it what you want but the fact is, it is getting a lot of attention in the architectural world. As much as I like it, I must say my first reaction was "what the f**k", the more I look at it, the more I like it though. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that it demands attention, and if built I believe it will become one of the most recognizable buildings in the country. So who will have a better skyline in five years? I say wait five year to answer that question, they’re much more to that question than number of skyscrapers.
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Hey soul where did you find these pics, they show how Museum Plaza will fit very well. One question though, in the pic that show the skyline from the river, what are those other buildings between Humana and MP?

i found the renderings in google. the pic with the view from uofl i took at the exhibit. i guess its just showing how the skyline would look if the gap between mp and the human building was filled/
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Old May 16th, 2006, 08:05 PM   #76
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Even though Nashville will definitely have the tallest bldg. out of the 3 cities, that doesn't mean that it will have the best looking skyline(no disrespect) For instance if you compare the skylines of Birmingham and Mobile(respectfully), Mobile will have the tallest bldg. out of those 2 cities, but IMO, Birmingham's skyline will still have the edge!!
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Old May 16th, 2006, 08:24 PM   #77
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as I agree with your assessment, I don't think that is the case here. I whole-heartedly believe that nash-vegas is well on its way and will have the superior skyline of the three cities. I think it does now, but just barely over Louisville.
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Well, I still would like to know how Museum Plaza will ruin Louisville, lol. Just curious why people think that. So let me phrase this question...if Museum Plaza looked like Sig Tower (or any other more mainstream condo bldg) on the outside but still had the same height and amenities, would it be better? I mean, can anyone seriously name a building anywhere with all the amenties and mixed use of Museum Plaza that even has major public components (I can guarantee you none of us will ever see the 60th floor of Sig Tower!)

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Well, I will believe in Signature Tower when they break ground. To be honest, it sounds a bit pie in the sky to me. And this goes for any large proposal, including those in Jax. Based on the current buildings and those u/c, I would say that Jacksonville will have the best skyline in 5 years, but this can all change. Of course, I am a little biased.
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^I just want someone to provide a list of what's really going on in Nashville and Louisville. I'll do the same for Jax. The list should show the amount of highrise projects (10+ stories) in various stages (ex. under construction, in permitting, approved, proposed, etc.). This way you'll have an apples-to-apples comparison, which will weed out biased opinions from the facts.
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