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Old August 28th, 2007, 07:17 PM   #81
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I can't believe brummies still think Birmingham is the second city !
You people from Manchester are all the same, you can not mention the sentence, the second city without someone from Manchester turning around and saying that Manchester (The little Hamlet) is the second city.
Coventrys population comes close to Manchesters and thats telling us something. So shut your mouth and lets get back on topic ,the city of Birmingham stadium, the one better than Manchesters.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 02:27 PM   #82
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I can't believe brummies still think Birmingham is the second city !
Er, Birmingham is the Second City.

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Old August 29th, 2007, 02:49 PM   #83
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Coventry must be a crap city then, not having anywhere near the amount of amenites that Manc has for a city of similar size.

Which sounds stupid doesn't it.

The whole '2nd city' is stupid.

Who wants to be the silver medal city? Or the bridesmaid city?

Crap tag to have to be honest.

And if you wanna go down the 'city' route, Brum is 'technically' the UK's largest city.

Now that sounds stupid.

Get real.

Brum and Manc are in the same league. Not London's league of course. And cities like Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle have a league of their own also.

Grow up. Stop being petty (that goes for both camps) and get back to the stadium talk.

BTW, who's bright idea was it to call it 'The City Of Birmingham Stadium'?

Hardly original. And yes, Salford copied the name first for their new stadium, so having a 3rd 'City Of...stadium' is a bit tedius.

The name 'City Of.....' has never sounded good in a stadium name anyway.

And don't get me started on 'Stadium:MK' what the f**k is that about?
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Old August 29th, 2007, 03:00 PM   #84
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BTW, who's bright idea was it to call it 'The City Of Birmingham Stadium'?
I think that is just the project name for the time being. When it starts getting more serious with planning apps and decontamination works on site - then they will start to seriously look for a name. Although I think the City of Birmingham Stadium is a good name. It's going to be in one of the roughest parts of Birmingham so calling it "Saltley Stadium" just doesn't have the same ring.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 03:02 PM   #85
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Birmingham's chairman only recently had a go at his own fans for not supporting the club so how they're going to fill this I'll never know.They have something like 13,000 season tickets,will they be building a white elephant? It seems a bit over ambitious to me.

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Birmingham's chairman only recently had a go at his own fans for not supporting the club so how they're going to fill this I'll never know.They have something like 13,000 season tickets,will they be building a white elephant? It seems a bit over ambitious to me.
That is a problem at the moment. But this stadium is not going to be exclusively for BCFC. It is hoped that the stadium could be used by Moseley Rugby Football Club who are currently using some standard recreation ground with a seating capacity of just 650 - they are in serious need of a stadium. As well as this, it will be a major concert/ sporting venue for national and international events.

One of the arguments put forward was that the stadium would be a new hope for Blues and that the fans would use it more. Because, to be honest, St Andrews is a right royal let down to fans.

The fact that there has been considerable interest shown from investors when the plans were shown off at the MIPIM show earlier this year shows that this has a lot of potential and others believe so. It's just a real shame that the person who was promoting the stadium to investors, Ken Hardeman, has passed away.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 05:21 PM   #87
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Excuse me Chogs.

City of Manchester Stadium. Wouldn't have it any other way.

PS. 55,000 is far to big for Birmingham City FC.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 05:27 PM   #88
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This is not a pop at Birmingham, but a valid point. I've always felt Birmingham as a city suffers from football apathy. With a population of five million and only 4 football clubs, you'd think crowds would be much bigger. Villa
30-40,000, Birmingham 20-30,000, WBA 20-25,000, Walsall 5,000.(?) Any reasons?
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This is not a pop at Birmingham, but a valid point. I've always felt Birmingham as a city suffers from football apathy. With a population of five million and only 4 football clubs, you'd think crowds would be much bigger. Villa
30-40,000, Birmingham 20-30,000, WBA 20-25,000, Walsall 5,000.(?) Any reasons?
Well, what turns me off from going to Villa matches at Villa Park is the stadium partly and the lack of real success. Whilst I Villa do win matches, they have not had any meteoric success for a long time. The stadium has some good points but I find it pretty boring and not the most welcoming place in the world. Saying that, the Blues stadium is just a blot on the landscape
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I love Villa Park despite not loving Villa. Apart from that scabby stand that the away fans sit in its ok. The Holte End is pretty impressive and the noise the place can generate is very substantial.
I also like that it has four distinctly seperate stands, none of this bowl madness.

I also don't think St Andrews is that bad. 2 of the sides are alright, the Tilton Road stand is ok, the main stand is a bit ropey though. From the outside it looks like its made of lego and there is something that feels temporary about the place though.
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I love this proposed stadium. Very different to other UK (and European) stadia
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Old August 29th, 2007, 08:34 PM   #92
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They should build this as an athletic stadium and bid for the World Championships then convert it afterwards. It will be the only chance that a major international athletics meet would be staged in this country outside London, unless someone builds a big athletics stadium elsewhere, which I doubt
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Agreed.
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Coventry must be a crap city then, not having anywhere near the amount of amenites that Manc has for a city of similar size.

Which sounds stupid doesn't it.
**** off

Im from Cov mate and i have never seen a bigger shithole than Manchester (i can't believe im defending Brum here!) The reason Manc has more 'ameneties' is because Manc supports a larger urban area.

Sure, there is only a 100,000 difference between Cov and Manc's Population, But the 1.6 odd million people that live in 'Greater Manchester' dwarf the mear 300,000 more people that live in the Cov urban area.

Cov isnt a crap city, infact, the only thing manc is good for is its glorious football team. For a city that has way more 'ameneties' it should be good for something apart from gangs, thugs and burgleries right?
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Woo Hoo go ccfc-4-life Im immpressed, you sure showed him.
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They should build this as an athletic stadium and bid for the World Championships then convert it afterwards. It will be the only chance that a major international athletics meet would be staged in this country outside London, unless someone builds a big athletics stadium elsewhere, which I doubt
Well Birmingham has a large athletics stadium already - the Alexander Stadium. It is set for a bit of an expansion as well. Alongside this is the Birmingham High Performance Centre. It's safe to say that this is a world class facility - it's already helped produce the likes of Denise Lewis, Mark Lewis-Francis and Kelly Sotherton. So building this as an athletics stadium would be a waste of money and time.
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Will this Alexander Centre ever host a World Athletics Championship? Dolt!

If you are going to build this, you should initially build it as a decent athletics stadium which you can showcase to a global audience, then give it over to Birmingham City to convert to football

Birmingham will never host the Olympics, but it could realistically host the worlds, IF it had a stadium. Isn't this a perfect opportunity?

I always thought Manchester should have tried to squeeze another high profile event or two out of the Commonwealth stadium before turning it over to Man C

I never thought someone would call the opportunity for the world's gaze to be focused on Birmingham a 'waste of time and money'. It's not like Birmingham has enough global exposure already, is it?
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**** off

Im from Cov mate and i have never seen a bigger shithole than Manchester (i can't believe im defending Brum here!) The reason Manc has more 'ameneties' is because Manc supports a larger urban area.

Sure, there is only a 100,000 difference between Cov and Manc's Population, But the 1.6 odd million people that live in 'Greater Manchester' dwarf the mear 300,000 more people that live in the Cov urban area.
Hence why i said 'sounds stupid doesn't it'

It was a joke. Deal with it.

However, i take your comments as an insult, unless you're joking too?

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Cov isnt a crap city, infact, the only thing manc is good for is its glorious football team. For a city that has way more 'ameneties' it should be good for something apart from gangs, thugs and burgleries right?
Cov has done very well as a city, what with the Ricoh arena and many retail developments, but i'm afraid Manc has a lot to offer amenities wise. A hell of a lot in fact. If you're not aware of that then your ignorence obviously preceeds you.



Anyway back to topic...the World Athletics in Brum would give the City a great image boost and apart from the Olympics and Commonwealth Games, is the obvious choice for a major sporting event in the City.

The legacy? Birmingham City's new ground.

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I always thought Manchester should have tried to squeeze another high profile event or two out of the Commonwealth stadium before turning it over to Man C
There was actually a campaign to keep the running track at COMS. It failed obviously!
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Did it host some other events before the CG? It seems a shame to have had it but not made more of it.

Not saying the CGs weren't good, but if you could have held onto it for a year or two more, and Man C fans could have put up with a smaller capacity and a running track for a year or so, you could have pulled the World Cup or European Championships (athletics, obviously) maybe even the WAC?

If Birmingham are building this thing anyway, if they could attract a high profile games and then convert it to football, using the Manc model, then why not?

Yes, there will be extra cost, but this could be met with the revenue raised from hosting the event

Realistically, the only chance any city outside London has of building a big athletics venue is if it can be used after. Converting it to football seems the only viable way

I'm surprised nobody has suggested this. Then again I've not read the whole thread
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