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Old November 7th, 2017, 04:36 PM   #361
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I think he was saying the opposite - saying that your initial statement suggested you advocated putting substandard buildings outside of the city centre. I think AJ was trying to suggest the city centre shouldn't be some sort of Holy Grail and we shouldn't be looking to put substandard buildings anywhere.

However, I don't think that's what you actually were saying timo so, from the outside looking in, I think it's a non-debate. :-)
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Old November 7th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #362
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Hmm this is getting rather painful.

Sounds like you are advocating buildings of any quality being put anywhere in a city centre. I donít actually believe you think that, so this conversation is a bit of a waste of time.
Apologies if it was painful for you. My argument was, why should mediocre buildings be put on the periphery and high-class buildings be added further into the centre?
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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:00 PM   #363
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It is centrally located but it’s really going to be hidden by 1 and 2 SPS and the landmark (3SPS?) It doesn’t really make good sense for a developer to design and build an out of this world building just for the sake of a few who’ll actually take the time to appreciate it rather than the many who won’t even know or care what’s there. Decent filler would still be better than the grey and brown monstrosity that’s there and if recent builds have taught us anything (2 SPS, wilburn) it’s to wait and see how it turns out before jumping all over it.
It's neither hidden nor filler. At 70 meters tall this building is taller than all of its neighbours. Various aspects of this building will be highly visible. It's simply not good enough and could be improved by a more consistent window grid on sides.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 12:44 PM   #364
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I’m not saying it’s good enough, I’d just like to see how it turns out. I’d have to wholly disagree about how visible it will be. Perhaps from vistas that most people won’t see or care from it will but from street level on oxford road or St. Peter’s square, the places where people actually go, it will barely be visible over the tops of 1, 2 or 3 SPS.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 05:41 PM   #365
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Its a shocker this one. It will stand isolated in quality against its Superior neighbours. Real shame. If only they had stuck with the previous design.


In response to those who don't think this will be visible from anywhere that matters...... see above This will destroy the view through one of Manchester's most important collections of neo-classical architecture.
All for the sake of a cheapo hotel.
1 and 2 SPS respected this challenge. This hotel sticks up the middle finger at it
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Old November 8th, 2017, 08:01 PM   #366
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Correct

From that angle, this is utterly terrible
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Old November 8th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #367
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Old November 8th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #368
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My point from earlier entirely summed up in a render.

Stick buildings like this in areas of no architectural importance, somewhere near the airport for example. NOT in the middle of an important area of the city centre.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 11:37 PM   #369
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Well your comment is different to what you said earlier. Makes sense now.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 10:27 AM   #370
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And that picture kind of proves my point. Those buildings matter to people on here, who care about the built environment, but look at the crowds, the bustle of the street level interaction with the buildings... that picture could be representative of most times of the day and any day of the week. Iím not saying itís right but what are they building it for, their own profits or to get kudos from SSC forumers?
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People care deeply about the built environment. They're not always aware or able to put it into words, but it affects them.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 11:35 PM   #372
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Whatever our opinions, it’s going up soon
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