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Train line extension to south west and north west 57 60.00%
Metro system for inner city and western suburbs 58 61.05%
Extension of light rail in inner city and pedestrianisation of George Street 50 52.63%
Integrated public transport system (including light rail and monorail) 52 54.74%
Removal (or easing) of height restrictions 52 54.74%
More office space 29 30.53%
More international labels 33 34.74%
More cultural venues 34 35.79%
Continued development of satellite CBDs 38 40.00%
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Old November 8th, 2017, 12:54 PM   #2261
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I personally think Federation Square is a fantastic public space and an asset to Melbourne. The architecture is bold (and even if you don't like it, you're talking about it), with very well located public institutions (ACMI, NGV Australia, SBS etc), and it is a pleasant space to sit, people watch and day dream.

That said, Federation Square is not something you could ever replicate in the available space for Town Hall Square. Federation Square is 3.2ha (with approximately 1ha of public space). The available space for Town Hall Square is approximately 0.55ha.

As Sydney CBD grows, and more people live/work/visit/play in the centre of the city, it is important that the city's public spaces grow and adapt to meet this additional demand. And because of this I support the idea of a new public square at Town Hall.

Even when Town Hall Square is added to the existing public space that is "Sydney Square," the available public space struggles to reach 1ha...and the recent marriage equality rally (which started at Town Hall) showed the available public space was grossly insufficient for demand.

On that note, parades, protests and marches - from Mardi Gras to ANZAC Day and from Keep Sydney Open to the old Lunar New Year Parade - have never been focused on public spaces around the harbour. They rely on a patchwork of parks (Hyde Park, Moore Park) and paved public spaces (Martin Place, George Street, Elizabeth Street).
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Old November 9th, 2017, 01:59 AM   #2262
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What the heck?!

Rip up Belmore Park and pave it? What the heck for?
It makes for a lovely park.

Why all this talk of squares?
Because its useless and is only used as a throughway to Central or a meeting point for protests.

A flat square here would do wonders for the activation of the areas for events IMO. And being really bold, if the railway lines are undergrounded from Goulburn St Carpark as part of Central to Eveleigh you could raze the railway bridge (although beautiful sandstone) and extend the square through to Elizabeth Street. Then with the redevelopment of the blocks surrounding into more active retail and leisure tenancies you have Sydneys own Placa de Catalunya. (edit: a quick area calculation shows the Belmore Park site [incl railway lines] would be the same size. Perfect!)

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Old November 14th, 2017, 04:51 AM   #2263
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I personally think Federation Square is a fantastic public space and an asset to Melbourne. The architecture is bold (and even if you don't like it, you're talking about it), with very well located public institutions (ACMI, NGV Australia, SBS etc), and it is a pleasant space to sit, people watch and day dream.

That said, Federation Square is not something you could ever replicate in the available space for Town Hall Square. Federation Square is 3.2ha (with approximately 1ha of public space). The available space for Town Hall Square is approximately 0.55ha.

As Sydney CBD grows, and more people live/work/visit/play in the centre of the city, it is important that the city's public spaces grow and adapt to meet this additional demand. And because of this I support the idea of a new public square at Town Hall.

Even when Town Hall Square is added to the existing public space that is "Sydney Square," the available public space struggles to reach 1ha...and the recent marriage equality rally (which started at Town Hall) showed the available public space was grossly insufficient for demand.

On that note, parades, protests and marches - from Mardi Gras to ANZAC Day and from Keep Sydney Open to the old Lunar New Year Parade - have never been focused on public spaces around the harbour. They rely on a patchwork of parks (Hyde Park, Moore Park) and paved public spaces (Martin Place, George Street, Elizabeth Street).
I personally think the 'issue' here is that people keep comparing apples with oranges (not referring to you as i agree).

Especially interstate visitors come out of Central or Town Hall, some off Circular Quay and expect to see a regular plaza space in the vein of Fed Square. However, the Sydney equivalent to Fed Square is Darling Harbour in many ways. In its current form and with all the new buildings (including the soon to be redone shopping mall and the Ritz-Carlton close by) it does serve as Sydney's central gathering spot and has a lot more going for it than a simple central plaza.

The proposed redevelopments of Central Station to include a proper square and also Town Hall, with the addition of the new-look Martin Place and redesign of Circular Quay will offer a lot more options for Sydneysiders and visitors alike. Sydney may not be as easy to figure out or navigate in its current form but with the above mentioned developments plus Darling Square and Baranagaroo we have a lot more open, public spaces than our neighbours. Add the many parks and harbourside areas and we are unmatched. Better connectivity between these spaces is what was missing and we are now well and truly half way (or more) there.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 07:57 AM   #2264
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Its strange to see so many devotees to international urbanism and the fine grained nature of the worlds great cities tying themselves in knots so as to criticise the creation of needed public space. This city could very well be 8 million people by 2050, it is going to need as much space made for people as it can get. It will need new parks and new squares.

The one thing central Sydney needs is policies that put people first. Not buildings, not cars, but people. This means people priority at lights, wider footpaths, pedestrianisation, and more/ better used public spaces.

The Building Woolies is in will be knocked down soon enough anyway, and it will either be for another disappointingly less than tall office/residential tower (private space) or for a public square (public space)

The idea that all this city is harbour edging is part of the reason the CBD became such a car dominated crap-hole. Some civic pride and beautification has gone a long way to ameliorating this, but more can be done.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:21 AM   #2265
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You could spend $1b on the world's most spectacular civic square in the heart of Sydney's CBD and people would still flock to the edges.

Absolutely we need to make the inner CBD more liveable at street level but in terms of creating large open spaces I think the focus should be around the edges. For example, I'd swap Town Hall Square and DP4 around - instead of having more open space at Town Hall and a huge tower hanging over the edge of the harbour I think we should build the 200m tower opposite Town Hall and create more open space around Darling Harbour where people will actually use it.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 08:35 AM   #2266
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People use the central open spaces of Sydney all the time. Its not an either or. One of the worst aspects of Barangaroo is that instead of a new civic building, like a great theatre or another opera house with a great civic space attached to it, we are getting another casino. Its a nice building(although I've seen recent pictures that make the whole development look very cheap) but its a casino nonetheless. That is the exclamation point for this great new development.

I think this is sad outcome. Sydney is Australia's greatest city. Every new public space, every great civic building, is another jewel added to the sparkle of Australia's gateway to the world.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 09:48 AM   #2267
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Only a small part of it is casino; most of it is apartments and hotel, so 'casino' is a bit of a misnomer.

November: it's time for some fool to wonder when we are ever to see what is proposed for Barangaroo Central...oh, the fool is me.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 02:28 AM   #2268
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NOVEMBER 15 2017 - 12:15AM

NSW government architect calls on Parliament to pass 'no-brainer' legislation

Lisa Visentin


In a rare intervention into the political sphere, the NSW government architect has called on Parliament to approve legislative changes which will elevate good design to the forefront of the state's planning system for the first time.

NSW government architect Peter Poulet said the move to insert good design as a key objective of the state's core piece of planning legislation was a "clear culture change for NSW" and a "no-brainer".

NSW Government Architect Peter Poulet said the insertion of good design objectives into NSW planning legislation was a "no-brainer". Photo: Janie Barrett

"It sends the right message to the community that we value what their environment is like, " Mr Poulet said. "It's common sense. Good design serves everyone."

The good design objectives are among a suite of proposed changes to the Environmental Planning and Assessment (EPA) Act, which will be debated by the Legislative Council on Tuesday as part of late-night sitting before heading to the lower house for approval.

NSW government architect Peter Poulet has made a rare intervention in the political sphere, urging parliament to pass legislation which makes good design front and centre of NSW's planning system. Photo: Janie Barrett

Mr Poulet said his office had worked closely with the state government and councils to draft the three new objectives which, in addition to good design, include the promotion of "built and cultural heritage, including Aboriginal cultural heritage" and the "proper construction and maintenance of buildings".

"It's the first time [these measures] have been codified in legislation," he said. "It's amazing that it has taken this long to be honest."

The government's emphasis on design excellence dovetails with its recent restructuring of the Government Architects Office. For 200 years, the agency designed and constructed some of the state's most iconic public buildings - such as the GPO in Martin Place, Central Station, and the Powerhouse Museum - before its transition into a strategic advisory and advocacy role last year.

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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:49 AM   #2269
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Amen to that! Hope it passes but then again who decides what 'good design' is?
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Professionally involved people with experience in design and aesthetics, and - we can only hope - a superior sense of design, innovative ideas and ambition for our city & state.

The worst thing we can do is let the people decide as we will end up with the trite and the predictable. If you needed brain surgery, would you take the advice of an experienced medical professional or your local hairdresser or butcher?
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Old November 17th, 2017, 02:15 AM   #2271
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A simpler, faster planning system

Published 16th November, 2017 in Infrastructure

Legislation has passed the NSW Parliament that will create a simpler and faster planning system.

Changes to the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act 1979 (EP&A Act) will focus on community participation, strategic planning and clear decision making.

The changes will focus on enhancing community participation by requiring planning authorities to prepare and implement plans that detail how they engage with their community.

These plans include mandatory minimum periods such as a 14-day exhibition period for Development Applications, unless the Community Participation Plan says otherwise.

For Local Environmental Plans (LEP’s) the minimum exhibition period is 28 days. Authorities will be encouraged to go beyond the minimum requirements, to ensure the consultation suits the community’s needs.

The changes strengthen councils’ focus on strategic planning and will recognise their role in strategic planning for the local area through their preparation of new local strategic planning statements.

Other changes to the EP&A Act include:
[LIST][*]modernising and expanding the objects of the Act[*]strengthening and streamlining local development processes[*]strengthening compliance by introducing enforceable undertakings[*]requiring councils to do an LEP check at least every five years[*]strengthening the rules for regional planning panels in line with the local IHAPs[*]closing off the transitional arrangements for former Part 3A projects.[/LIST

Minister for Planning and Housing Anthony Roberts said the changes reflect the government’s commitment to thriving, safe and well-designed communities with local character and heritage.

“There is no denying that NSW is a great place to live and work, however, the best places do not just happen, they are planned, and planning for the future of our state is critical,” Mr Roberts said.

Find out more about the changes to the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act [click on link above to find this active link]

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