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Old March 31st, 2010, 04:49 PM   #1
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WOLVERHAMPTON - Molineux Stadium (30,852 -> 50,000)


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Wolves unveil plans for potential 50,000+ Molineux

Wolves have unveiled exciting plans for a £40million redevelopment of Molineux which would take its capacity to 36,000 in time for the start of the 2014/15 season.

The project, which will be submitted for local authority approval in late July, was made public to local residents for the first time on Thursday night as part of a consultation meeting.

The club's vision comprises of four phases, although planning permission will only initially be sought for the first three phases.

Chief executive Jez Moxey said: "These plans represent an exciting vision for the redevelopment of Molineux, which our chairman Steve Morgan had when he first acquired the club in 2007.

"His commitment to Wolves and his investment has helped us develop both on and off the field, culminating in the team retaining its Premier League status for the coming season."

Phase one is scheduled to start with the demolition of the Stan Cullis Stand at the end of the forthcoming season, with a state-of-the art two-tier structure constructed that extends into the open corner of the Steve Bull Stand - starting a stadium bowl design.

Phase two will then see a new two-tier Steve Bull Stand built over the course of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 seasons in time for the start of 2014/15 - taking Molineux's capacity from 29,303 to 36,000.

Phases three and four respectively, which are subject to supporter demand and not included in the £40m figure, would see the Jack Harris Stand regenerated to match the first two stands and take capacity to around 38,000.

With early plans also drafted to possibly redevelop the Billy Wright Stand to take the figure up to 50,000.

Importantly, Moxey insists the money set aside for the initial stage of the plans is ring-fenced and will not affect manager Mick McCarthy's transfer budget as he looks to keep Wolves in the Barclays Premier League.

Moxey went on to stress the club's focus remains "all about the football" and firmly on building a squad capable of keeping the Black Country club in the top flight.

Capacity will naturally decrease while the proposed building work is undertaken, with plans being drawn up to cater for fans being moving around, but all other options in relation to building a new stadium and relocating elsewhere were exhausted.

And, with Wanderers having recently been granted a 999-year lease for Molineux from Wolverhampton City Council, chairman Morgan is determined to build a stadium that not only increases revenue but improves facilities and the overall matchday experience for supporters - with fans being brought as close as possible to the pitch to create an intimidating atmosphere.














Molineux’s redevelopment into a 40,000-seater stadium took a leap forward today as Wolves were given a 999-year lease on the ground.

The club had asked Wolverhampton City Council for the freehold of the land to progress plans to expand the existing 29,300 capacity, with a hotel and conference centre among the options.

The council did not want to grant the freehold in order to ensure there must always be a football pitch at Molineux.

Details have yet to emerge on Wolves’ expansion plans.

But today council leader Neville Patten revealed the club was planning to invest £40 million in improving the stadium and surrounding area, with early proposals including a hotel and conference rooms.

He said club chief executive Jez Moxey had told him of the proposals at a meeting yesterday.

“Jez has praised Wolverhampton and said Wolves are looking to spend £40m. I understand they’re in talks with the University over buying some land at the back of Molineux as well.”

Wolves owner Steve Morgan bought Peal House, the former Carillion building on the corner of Waterloo Road, in January.

The city council last night agreed to extend the lease to 999 years from 125 years.

Councillor Patten added: “This means any developers who may want to put money in know that their investment will last.

“It also prevents the stadium from being moved out of the city centre.”

ATTENDANCE TABLE
http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

Team Pld Total Highest Average Capacity Pct

1 Wolverhampton Wndrs (14) 16 452556 29023 28285 28525 99.1%
2 Arsenal (3) 16 958414 60103 59901 60432 99.1%
3 Manchester United (1) 16 1196623 75216 74789 75769 98.7%
4 Chelsea (2) 16 664094 41836 41506 42055 98.6%
5 Tottenham Hotspur (4) 16 572384 36031 35774 36310 98.5%
6 Hull City (18) 15 365153 25023 24344 25404 95.8%
7 Stoke City (11) 16 433649 27598 27103 28384 95.4%
8 Liverpool (6) 16 690008 44392 43126 45362 95.0%
9 West Ham United (17) 16 537252 34980 33578 35647 94.1%
10 Manchester City (5) 15 677680 47348 45179 48000 94.1%
11 Burnley (19) 16 328380 21761 20524 22546 91.0%
12 Everton (8) 16 586016 39652 36626 40394 90.6%
13 Fulham (12) 15 360917 25700 24061 26600 90.4%
14 Aston Villa (7) 16 609579 42788 38099 42551 89.5%
15 Portsmouth (20) 16 294794 20821 18425 20688 89.0%
16 Birmingham City (9) 16 400524 28958 25033 30009 83.4%
17 Sunderland (13) 16 634582 47327 39661 49000 80.9%
18 Blackburn Rovers (10) 16 400063 29660 25004 31367 79.7%
19 Bolton Wanderers (15) 16 351237 25370 21952 28723 76.4%
20 Wigan Athletic (16) 16 285440 20447 17840 25138 70.9%

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Old March 31st, 2010, 07:06 PM   #2
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Sounds like an interesting proposal...... Is there any news about the format of the redevelopment, the architects involved and the costs? Will simply filling in the corners suffice to reach 40k (2.5k per corner sounds possible)? Also, given the comparatively large distance between pitch and front rows, pitch lowering may be possible too, giving approx 1000 seats per new row.
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Old March 31st, 2010, 09:33 PM   #3
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The fans will be brought closer to the pitch. That is a key issue raised by Steve Morgan in he's proposals.

The first stand to go will be the Steve Bull. It looks as if 3 stands will be redeveloped.

The two banks behind the goals to accomodate 8,000 fans and a new 14,000 side stand.

Some have said not all corners can be filled in.

I dont really know when the plans will be released but im guessing it be some time after we secured survival so summer I would've thought.
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Old March 31st, 2010, 09:38 PM   #4
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Found this on a fan site, obviously a guy just messing around but gives you an idea of how the filled in corners might look



I also remember reading about them looking to add a second tier to the two end stands, i'll try dig it out but again it probably has nothing to do with the new plans now
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 10:56 AM   #5
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I would think that a few more established years in the Premier League would be handy first. Similar to Reading wanting to expand before the drop came. From memory (don't shoot me), Molineux becomes quite deserted when times are tough. And those stats might be a little skewed considering they just won promotion last season.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:19 AM   #6
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I would think that a few more established years in the Premier League would be handy first. Similar to Reading wanting to expand before the drop came. From memory (don't shoot me), Molineux becomes quite deserted when times are tough. And those stats might be a little skewed considering they just won promotion last season.
Wolves have been planning expansion since 2004 but had to wait for a new owner to come in.

When does Molineux ever get deserted? Even in the 2nd tier they never drop below 21,000 at it's worst and generally always sell out the home ends.

Wolves fan base is huge. It's why they also have noticbly the best travelling supporters. They took over 5,000 fans to some 6 games last season and tried to get 7,500 tickets for the match against Barnsley.

If you want a fun day out as a football fan the Yam Yam army are incredible.

"Wolves were named ‘Best supported away club’ in the Championship last year, which meant they had the largest average number of fans travelling to see them while they were playing ‘away’. An average of 2,800 fans per game travelled all over the UK to see their team promoted back into the Barclays Premier League for the first time since 2003. It is no surprise to see this level of support because Wolves try very hard to look after their fans."

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They have also the sold out every allocation this season.

Just look at the difference.


Birmingham are looking to go to a 50,000 seater and they still have 5,000 empty seats on average per game and they have a had a great season.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:30 AM   #7
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They have also the sold out every allocation this season.
Wrong. They sold 1900 tickets of the 2700 allocated for the 15 mile trip to Villa Park.

Villa did however charge 43 sheets a piece for the privilige, so somewhat understandable.
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Wrong. They sold 1900 tickets of the 2700 allocated for the 15 mile trip to Villa Park.

Villa did however charge 43 sheets a piece for the privilige, so somewhat understandable.
Ahh a new account I see.

Exception. £43 a ticket and on sky. Plus I like many others actually went in the Villa ends with mates. There was a call to boycott the game completely.

Still only the Wolves fans you could hear
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:41 AM   #9
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Can I ask why you've set up 2 new accounts to comment on this thread anyway? Do you not want to talk about the development? After all it will help improve the Midlands reputation as a footballing hotbed that it looks like it could grow into with all 4 teams soon to be in the prem and looking to invest.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 09:48 AM   #10
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Steve Morgan Chairman

"We're talking to an occupier who wants to lease (part of the stadium) and that would give us significant revenue. That would be at least a 15-year rent and would be a catalyst for stage one of our redevelopment, irrespective of whether we win promotion. "The redevelopment work will be done incrementally because the last thing I'd want is a 35-40,000 stadium and have it half full. The capacity would probably increase by 2-3,000 each time we did a stand."

So it wont be a rush job and a gradual expansion.

Hotel
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Car Park to be included.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 02:16 PM   #11
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As a West Ham fan, I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Molinuex, (not least because I always have to look up how to spell the name :P).

I remember days in the late 80s/ early 90's standing in half of the old, and vast, South Stand, watching a match when only two stands were open. But I do think the remodeled stadium does have one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League.

If the above picture is actually what is planned, then I feel a little sorry for Wolves. Not because it would not become an even better stadium, but because people will just class it as an copy of the flatpack stadiums we see at Derby, Boro, Southampton etc. This is a shame as it ignores the history of the stadium's development.

The masterplan was created 30 years ago, and the first stand built was one of the first designed with an eye to a cohesive plan. Forest were the first to build what was then termed..."an Exectutive Stand"..with corporate boxes seperating the upper tier from the lower. However that stand was built horizontal to the pitch. I actually remember seeing plans that showed the completed Molinuex, from the 80s, and it is exactly what is shown above. So basically, like Old Trafford, Molinuex's masterplan my be finally realised several decades after it was planned.

Oh, and yeah, Wolves would easily fill a 40k stadium if they stayed in the Premier League. As for whether they would fill it if they were relegated, probably not. But then would City or Villa fill their grounds if they were in the second tier? Of course not.
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Ecological, I have one account. Sorry to disappoint, but "bez" isn't me as you seem to think. I have nothing against Wolves, and I'm indifferent to whether or not they extend their stadium. I'm a United fan from overseas, and have zero reason to attack Wolves.

The reason I mentioned Wolves being empty was because I saw it on a highlights package of the Championship last year. I did say "dont shoot me" because I didn't know whether that was a regular thing or not.

Again, not here to criticize, chill.
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Fix the title to 'Molineux' instead of 'Molinuex' please.
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Can I ask why you've set up 2 new accounts to comment on this thread anyway? Do you not want to talk about the development? After all it will help improve the Midlands reputation as a footballing hotbed that it looks like it could grow into with all 4 teams soon to be in the prem and looking to invest.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Couldn't truthfully remember if I'd registered before.

Certainly not looking to pass comment on Wolves travelling support, simply stating fact. FWIW I'd absoutely agree Wolves travelling support is amongst the best - $43 a ticket might fly Dahn Sarf but certainly not in the West Mid's. Anyway....back on topic.

I understand the posts of many worrying about losing an iconic ground if redeveloped, but I'd have a great deal of trust in Steve Morgan following through on an iconic design and not some identikit stadium. Whilst Molineux in its current form would be missed, there's an opportunity to do something really interesting with the sites footprint here.

I'd be surprised to see this happen so quickly though - anyone have any idea of Wolves current debt? $10m? $20m? Can this be justified for such an outlay whilst there is such additional focus on clubs spend levels post-Pompey? Plus the new 2012 rulings on clubs turnover looming?

(Apologies for the $'s - not a pound in site on this keyboard!)
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Wolves fan base is huge. It's why they also have noticbly the best travelling supporters.
Compared to who exactly?

Please keep things in perspective and stop letting your love of Wolves make you spout nonsense. Theres a good lad
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As a West Ham fan, I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Molinuex, (not least because I always have to look up how to spell the name :P).

I remember days in the late 80s/ early 90's standing in half of the old, and vast, South Stand, watching a match when only two stands were open. But I do think the remodeled stadium does have one of the best atmospheres in the Premier League.

If the above picture is actually what is planned, then I feel a little sorry for Wolves. Not because it would not become an even better stadium, but because people will just class it as an copy of the flatpack stadiums we see at Derby, Boro, Southampton etc. This is a shame as it ignores the history of the stadium's development.

The masterplan was created 30 years ago, and the first stand built was one of the first designed with an eye to a cohesive plan. Forest were the first to build what was then termed..."an Exectutive Stand"..with corporate boxes seperating the upper tier from the lower. However that stand was built horizontal to the pitch. I actually remember seeing plans that showed the completed Molinuex, from the 80s, and it is exactly what is shown above. So basically, like Old Trafford, Molinuex's masterplan my be finally realised several decades after it was planned.

Oh, and yeah, Wolves would easily fill a 40k stadium if they stayed in the Premier League. As for whether they would fill it if they were relegated, probably not. But then would City or Villa fill their grounds if they were in the second tier? Of course not.
i remember seeing a match programme from back then and the plans were 2 'exec' stands and 2 terraced ends,like a modern day highbury,i could be wrong though.I think molinuex is probably the best looking ground in the midlands but is restricted by capacity,drop the pitch first and then infill the corners.
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Wernt these plans first mentioned in may 2008?
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I'd be surprised to see this happen so quickly though - anyone have any idea of Wolves current debt? $10m? $20m? Can this be justified for such an outlay whilst there is such additional focus on clubs spend levels post-Pompey? Plus the new 2012 rulings on clubs turnover looming?

We were one of the only clubs actually operating in the black until Steve Morgan came along, since then I haven't really kept an eye on the situation, so I don't really know. I would say that you could probably arrive at a ballpark figure if you were to look at outgoings since Steve Morgan took over. Wolves, ever since what happened in the 80's, have been careful with their money, so I would say that whatever debt we have (if we even have one), it will be managable.
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Found this on one of the Wolves web boards - not sure if this is tied to the latest plans but from this it looks as though they'll go down the same route as the Westfallen Stadium

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