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Old November 23rd, 2016, 10:31 PM   #2001
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And it still defies ordinary logic. No other 43k town anywhere in Europe, located on prime quite flat farmland with multiple optional routes and without being located on a grand transit route, gets its own motorway like that. Exceptions there may be if there's some large plant, a popular holiday resort or something akin o that, but I can't fathom what made the AADT 20k possible in the first place. Sure, southern Denmark (the 150 k hinterland) is poor to Danish standards and there might be some commuter traffic hence, but a town of 43k doesn't usually make that large amount of traffic anywhere.
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Perhaps this draws a lot of traffic to Næstved from the region: http://www.naestved-stor-center.dk/

It's claimed to be the largest shopping center in all of Sjælland.

Næstved Stor-Center er Region Sjællands største shopping center med over 65 specialforretninger og Bilka.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 12:15 PM   #2003
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And it still defies ordinary logic. No other 43k town anywhere in Europe, located on prime quite flat farmland with multiple optional routes and without being located on a grand transit route, gets its own motorway like that. Exceptions there may be if there's some large plant, a popular holiday resort or something akin o that, but I can't fathom what made the AADT 20k possible in the first place. Sure, southern Denmark (the 150 k hinterland) is poor to Danish standards and there might be some commuter traffic hence, but a town of 43k doesn't usually make that large amount of traffic anywhere.
I am not sure you get it. The main answer is commuting. Of the approx. 80.000 living in the municipality of Næstved 8.000 commute to job on a daily basis to the greater Copenhagen region (and 2000 the other way). That alone generates 20000 trips a day. Of these probably 40-50 % commute by train and the rest by car - and all of them uses route 54. Add to that all other kind of traffic - business, leisure etc. - it is no magic that you are reaching 20.000.

I don't really get your surprise. In southern Jutland we have the Route 8 motorway that connects the town of Sønderborg to E45. Sønderborg in it self has around 25000 inhabitants and the municipality of Sønderborg, which includes all of the island of Als, has around 75.000 inhabitants. The route 8 motorway is not placed on any transit route or an international route, and the surrounding area is primarily farmland, with a relatively low popoulation density. From Als you can however take a ferry to Funen, but this ferry only carries around 350 cars a day, and doesn't really make a difference, and the route 8 in reality ends in a cul-de-sac in Sønderborg. Nevertheless the motorway from Sønderborg to E45 carries a traffic of between 15.000 and 25.000 cars a day.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #2004
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Perhaps this draws a lot of traffic to Næstved from the region: http://www.naestved-stor-center.dk/

It's claimed to be the largest shopping center in all of Sjælland.

Næstved Stor-Center er Region Sjællands største shopping center med over 65 specialforretninger og Bilka.
Well in Region Sjælland, not Copenhagen aka Region Hovedstaden.
But next to Næstved Storcenter there is also the Mega Center so they attract alot of people.

Many people from Rønnede, Faxe, Haslev etc go to school in Næstved or do their shopping in Bilka etc.


Also there is the amusement parks Bon Bon land and Fantasy World in Holme Olstrup that generate some traffic.
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Old November 25th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #2005
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I am not sure you get it. The main answer is commuting. Of the approx. 80.000 living in the municipality of Næstved 8.000 commute to job on a daily basis to the greater Copenhagen region (and 2000 the other way). That alone generates 20000 trips a day. Of these probably 40-50 % commute by train and the rest by car - and all of them uses route 54. Add to that all other kind of traffic - business, leisure etc. - it is no magic that you are reaching 20.000.

Sure, I understand there are some commuting to and from. Let's look at the larger picture:


As for commuting, according to dsb.dk the fastest train from Næstved to Copenhagen takes 55 mins. Now, only about half of the population in the municipality lives in Næstved town proper, even after all the projects on the railway line (Ringsted-Copenhagen, Ringsted-Fehmarn) have been finished in 5-10 years time from now not everyone is going to jump on that waggon for this reason (and others, such as work schedules etc). It seems reasonable to conclude that there will be a high degree of car commuters from Næstved kommune for a forseeable time.


As the distance between Næstved and Sydmotorvejen E47/E55 is ~10 kms and this is the main road to and from Greater Copenhagen, it might be plausible to build a motorway 'connecting spur' here.


Now here to my point: As the commuters travel to 'Greater Copenhagen' which encompasses a very large area (a half-circle encompassing Køge-Roskilde-Elsinore) with multiple destinations within this half-circle and multiple jobs spread throughout this region, why not look into upgrading both Highway 54 to Sydmotorvejen and Highway 14 to Ringsted/Roskilde? More options of travel, more redundancy in the highway network (in case of accidents/closures), and perhaps it could be satisfying enough to build 2+1-roads and bypasses (with perhaps a motorway Ringsted-Roskilde which would serve traffic west of the Great Belt as well, not only the Næstved area) as there would be more reasonable options instead of concentrating all traffic onto one stretch of motorway which would still leave those commuting to Ringsted-Roskilde-Høje Tåstrup with subdimensioned roads. This is what a serious traffic study should look into.



And commuting to Copenhagen area aside, none of this explains the AADT west of Næstved to Slagelse, not exactly an economic powerhouse. Do all of them slagenser do all of their shopping in those malls in Næstved?
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Old November 27th, 2016, 04:26 PM   #2006
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A town of 43k with most commuting to a nearby bigger city sure generates 20 000 ADT, look for examples for example in Finland and Sweden.
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Old November 27th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #2007
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As the distance between Næstved and Sydmotorvejen E47/E55 is ~10 kms and this is the main road to and from Greater Copenhagen, it might be plausible to build a motorway 'connecting spur' here.

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Now here to my point: As the commuters travel to 'Greater Copenhagen' which encompasses a very large area (a half-circle encompassing Køge-Roskilde-Elsinore) with multiple destinations within this half-circle and multiple jobs spread throughout this region, why not look into upgrading both Highway 54 to Sydmotorvejen and Highway 14 to Ringsted/Roskilde? More options of travel, more redundancy in the highway network (in case of accidents/closures), and perhaps it could be satisfying enough to build 2+1-roads and bypasses (with perhaps a motorway Ringsted-Roskilde which would serve traffic west of the Great Belt as well, not only the Næstved area) as there would be more reasonable options instead of concentrating all traffic onto one stretch of motorway which would still leave those commuting to Ringsted-Roskilde-Høje Tåstrup with subdimensioned roads. This is what a serious traffic study should look into.



And commuting to Copenhagen area aside, none of this explains the AADT west of Næstved to Slagelse, not exactly an economic powerhouse. Do all of them slagenser do all of their shopping in those malls in Næstved?
It is exactly a 10-15 km spur towards E47 that is planned as a motorway, and nothing more. The local councils in the region dream of a motorway Næstved - Slagelse, but the traffic does not carry more than 8000 cars a day, and does not warrant a motorway.

Route 54 and E47 is the absolute main route for the commuters towards the Copenhagen region, and Route 14 towards Ringsted does only have regional importance. Route 14 Næstved-Ringsted does nonly carry 6500-8000 cars a day. Route 14 onwards from Ringsted towards Roskilde carries 11000-17000 cars a day. I have never heard any plans or talk about upgrading this section to motorway.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 11:13 AM   #2008
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In other news. The new VLAK government has a few new Environmental Impact Assessments on the agenda:
- Hobro-Viborg-Give new motorway
- Haderslev-Billund-Give new motorway
- Allerød-Hillerød upgrade to motorway

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Old November 29th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #2009
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Rush hour (5 p.m. traffic) on the Køge Bugt Motorway:
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Old December 1st, 2016, 11:36 AM   #2010
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Rush hour (5 p.m. traffic) on the Køge Bugt Motorway:
Had to go to Copenhagen yesterday. Took the Køge Bugt Motorway inbound around 9:20 in the morning, and outbound around 17:45. Went like a dream. Haven't experienced that for many.. many years. The 2x4 really works.
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Old December 5th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #2011
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E20 Odense

The DDI on the Odense-Southwest interchange of E20. It is supposed to be completed next year.

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Old December 12th, 2016, 06:16 PM   #2012
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E47 Femern Belt Tunnel (Denmark-Germany)

The Femern Belt Tunnel project is delayed by another six months due to a huge volume of complaints against the project approval on the German side. According to various media and Femern A/S, some 12,500 complaints were lodged against the German side of the tunnel.

http://femern.com/da/News-and-press-...eringen-i-Kiel

It is mind-boggling how 12,500 complaints were made, these equal the entire population of the island of Fehmarn. They have 150 experts working on it, to address all concerns.

Perhaps this is some kind of tactic by anti-project groups, they sometimes use a template to lodge large numbers of complaints.

A much-delayed completion by 2028 seems ever more likely. Until a few years ago, it was planned to be constructed from 2015 to 2021.
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2028 will be the year they'll get started, after all
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Old December 13th, 2016, 02:00 AM   #2014
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The Femern Belt Tunnel project is delayed by another six months due to a huge volume of complaints against the project approval on the German side. According to various media and Femern A/S, some 12,500 complaints were lodged against the German side of the tunnel.

http://femern.com/da/News-and-press-...eringen-i-Kiel

It is mind-boggling how 12,500 complaints were made, these equal the entire population of the island of Fehmarn. They have 150 experts working on it, to address all concerns.

Perhaps this is some kind of tactic by anti-project groups, they sometimes use a template to lodge large numbers of complaints.

A much-delayed completion by 2028 seems ever more likely. Until a few years ago, it was planned to be constructed from 2015 to 2021.
From what I understand, in many cases individuals copy one written complaint and send identical complaints as well as send them in as members with the backing of an organization, or multiple organizations. As every complaint has to be answered on an individual basis it costs money and takes time (meanwhile if it goes on long enough you could then complain and say the forecasts are out of date as new circumstances have changed all forecasts and projections ). If you have 10 000 inhabitants on one island, and the island in turn has 1000 businesses and organizations of all sizes plus some organizations such as NABU that is present in all of the federation and some more you could probably come up to 12 500 complaints quickly even without any large variations in argument.


I guess the conclusion is that the German system thinks lawyers are a vulnerable group employment-wise as the planning procedure sure creates a lot of welfare for them.
Not to mention environmental groups in Germany = bureaucrats and lawyers on welfare. Instead of, you know, being a constructive part of the process it is better to make up arguments to stall as much as possible in order to extract more money. Heck, when NABU held a press conference in Copenhagen last year their speaker Malte Siegert drove there by car and kind of admitted they are only in for rent-seeking behaviour, looking for "socioeconomic consequences" of a "huge project" because the project in question is going to dig into the bottom of the ocean (in Danish)
https://ing.dk/artikel/tysk-miljoeor...edygtig-174759
(as a side note, don't know where in Germany he started from or what time, but there are excellent train connections from Hamburg with departures from early in the morning to late in the evening and even into the middle of the night, especially as there are two routes to travel (Fehmarnbelt or Jutland with likely change of trains in Flensburg at the Danish border). He could have come and left anytime he wanted by train as he must've stayed for at least one night in Copenhagen is my guess thus schedule his travel plans after that, and the train connections from Hamburg to the rest of Germany any time of the day is indeed very excellent)


And, lastly, it would've helped tremendously if the Danish state hadn't sold out their part of Scandlines (the ferries were jointly operated by the Danish and German states) to a British hedgefund just some years before the agreement was signed in 2008. That would've reigned in a lot excesses on behalf of the "protestors" and rent-seeking behaviour (as in case of Scandlines demanding and now getting a grade-separated road access to the ferry terminals on both sides to make them happy. It is very unlikely they'll even operate the ferries after the tunnel has been inaugerated. No such proposal came to fruition in the Great Belt nor Öresund between Malmo-Copenhagen despite the latter one connecting two urban areas and the ferry company there had hopes for leisure rides).
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Construction of Route 23 motorway around Regstrup

According to the tender documents for the 6,5 km continuation of the Route 23 Motorway from Sønder Jernløse to Knabstrup http://map.krak.dk/m/cLG3W, the timeschedule stipulates that the actual construction shall start in September 2017, and the contractor shall have ended all works on 16th of September 2019.


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The Femern Belt Tunnel project is delayed by another six months due to a huge volume of complaints against the project approval on the German side. According to various media and Femern A/S, some 12,500 complaints were lodged against the German side of the tunnel.
In addition, the responses from the Federal Ministry of Enviroment and the Schleswig-Holstein Ministry of Enviroment have been delayed by 2 months (November instead of September 2016). The Schleswig-Holstein Minister of Transport is not amused. He also presumes that the plan approval order will be challenged and the Federal Administrative Court procedure usually takes about 2 years. That means, construction permits might be available in Mid 2020...

http://www.shz.de/regionales/schlesw...d15577501.html

http://www.shz.de/regionales/schlesw...d15579191.html
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New motorway development

A broad majority in Danish parliament yesterday agreed to launch two new motorway projects - one in Copenhagen area and on major one in Jutland.

The new coalition (minority) government, that took office two weeks ago, announced in their government programme, that they intended to launch two new motorway projects: continuation of the Hillerød motorway in the Copenhagen region, and a completely new - 180 km - Mid-Jutland motorway.

Yesterday a deal was made with most of the opposition parties to launch the two projects. Only a couple of small left-wing parties are not part of the deal. The broad majority means that no matter what parties form government after next election, it is a done deal.

The to projects are:
Widening of the current 13,5 km 2+1/1+1 Route 16 expressway from Allerød to Hillerød to a full 2+2 motorway. For this project full EIA will be carried out, in order for final political approval. https://www.trm.dk/~/media/files/pub...rlaengelse.pdf

A new approx. 180 km Mid-Jutland motorway from E45 at Haderslev, via Billund, Give and Viborg towards E45 around Hobro. For this motorway a few different alignment on the middle section will be examined. https://www.trm.dk/~/media/files/pub...k-motorvej.pdf . For the Mid-Jutland motorway full EIA will be carried out on the southern section from Haderslev to Give, for final political approval. For the remaining section from Give to Haderslev a pre-EIA will be carried out, which includes deciding the alignment.

A this time only funds for the EIA's/pre-EIA's has been allocated. But in the Danish parliamantary tradition, and especially with such a broad majority, EIA's and Epre-EIA's means that the projects are decided, and it will then only be time before funds for construction is allocated. The government has set aside funds for the projects in its proposed 2025 plan.

The EIA's/pre-EIA's will be carried out from 2017-2019. Construction can most likely start i 2020-2021. For the full Mid-Jutland motorway a horizon of 2030 has been mentioned. A first section is likely in 2024-2025. The Route 16 widening can probably be ready latest at this time.
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Old December 14th, 2016, 12:04 PM   #2018
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Great. I like how they make this broad deals in Danish politics. If I counted correctly, these parties have 152 out of 179 seats in Folketing.

In Dutch politics the majorities for road building is much smaller because left-wing parties are afraid to lose voters to the GreenLeft party. In Denmark's case, all left-wing parties supported the deal except for the two green parties.
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A this time only funds for the EIA's/pre-EIA's has been allocated. But in the Danish parliamantary tradition, and especially with such a broad majority, EIA's and Epre-EIA's means that the projects are decided, and it will then only be time before funds for construction is allocated. The government has set aside funds for the projects in its proposed 2025 plan.
3rd stage of Frederikssundmotorvejen, Expansion of Fynske motorvej, are examples of how long time it can take before funding is allocated. Road projects are often mothballed when there is a change of government. With that said, especially the extension of Hillerødmotorvejen is needed.
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While the rest of the Køge Bugt motorway from 31B and south will get a new pavement next summer they have done the very last part towards Motorvejskryds Køge Vest.








And the old pavement.

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