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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:21 PM   #4041
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Official attendance at THF yesterday was 18,135. What is the capacity?
When it is completed, about 24,000, but it was capped at 18,135 because the upper west stands and suites were not done yet
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Old September 12th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #4043
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Few thoughts:

Those logos on the turf are awful. Take them out of those white boxes.
Where is the REDBLACKS logo?
Why the end-zone aren't painted?

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Old September 12th, 2014, 08:40 PM   #4044
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Few thoughts:

Those logos on the turf are awful. Take them out of those white boxes.
Where is the REDBLACKS logo?
Why the end-zone aren't painted?

It is shared with the Ottawa Fury NASL team, so that would be a hell of a lot of work to scrub the paint in the end zones as well as the lines and logos
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Old September 12th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #4045
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It is shared with the Ottawa Fury NASL team, so that would be a hell of a lot of work to scrub the paint in the end zones as well as the lines and logos
Meh. Another reason why I hate multipurpose stadium. Tim Horton Field doesn't have the end zones painted as well. It's so uninspiring and soulsucking.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 12:28 PM   #4046
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Meh. Another reason why I hate multipurpose stadium. Tim Horton Field doesn't have the end zones painted as well. It's so uninspiring and soulsucking.
Agree. Branding is very important and the lack of logos/banners takes away tremendously from the atmosphere. It makes the event feel like a temporary one that just blew in for the day. Branding has always been the CFL's achilles' heel and continues to be.

I bet when Mosaic opens, you'll know exactly who plays there even when its empty. Skydome is the absolute worst when it comes to this. In late August there are thousands of tourists outside at the base of the CN Tower and I bet most of them think the Blue Jays and Bills play there. They'd be shocked if you told them that the primary football tenant is the Argonauts. (Rogers took the Argonauts branding down years ago because they don't want to promote that team.)
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Disagree. Keep the field clean and pristine, bugger the logo's and ads plastered all over these days. For the sake of a few corporate dollars in ads keep it clean.
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Milton, Ontario's new Pan American Games velodrome.
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You have to admit they didn't try at all. It's functional, but not much else.

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Disagree. Keep the field clean and pristine, bugger the logo's and ads plastered all over these days. For the sake of a few corporate dollars in ads keep it clean.
I'm not talking about corporate logos; I'd rather not have those anywhere. I'm talking about the team logo plastered in the end zone and its banners on the outside of the stadium, the concourses, etc. If you stand outside Skydome there are Jays banners galore and even Bills banners. Argonauts banners? Nope. There's not a clue to be found when standing outside the stadium that the Argonauts play there.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:35 AM   #4053
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Why spend money on banners at a stadium when the Argos don't attract many fans anyway? Those banners aren't going to make a whit of difference. Just like being propped up artificially by TSN and The Sun hasn't moved the needle either.

The CFL needs the corporate logos 'cause they need the money. On the field, on the uniforms. It's like watching hockey in Finland - a busy mess. Same issue would recur if they were to move to BMO Field with it's un-logoable grass playing surface and red, TFC-branded seats.

When you read the interview with David Braley in the Star, it's clear he has more than enough financial resources for the Argos to execute their own sort of banner campaign across the city, the way the Mirvishes do when they are promoting one of their theatre productions, or the Rogers tennis or Honda Indy people do each year.

It's simply throwing good money after bad. And Braley knows it. The interview concludes with the suggestion that the Boatmen have six months remaining of life support in Toronto.
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If you're a CFL advocate, it had to be very uncomfortable listening to Canada's most-listened-to sports cast yesterday, Bob McCown's daily prime time show on FAN 590.

He had on former Toronto Argonauts president Brian Cooper to discuss the perilous existence of the failing football club. While Cooper tried to find tiny straws to cling to on behalf of his former club, he did little to dispel the notion that current owner David Braley, stuck with chronic and irretrievable money-losing property, is prepared to thow the keys on the table and walk away, basically handing the club back to the league.

Shocking to learn that they have fired their entire marketing and ticket sales departments.

Given the Argos perpetual state as money losers, the discussion basically confirmed the notion that there is no reason to spend tens of millions of dollars to re-construct BMO Field as a home for the Argos. There is nothing in their past history nor in their current demographics that suggests this team will ever make money.

And now that Maple Leaf Sport and Entertainment are currently no longer in position to acquire a National Football League franchise, there is absolutely no motivation for them to acquire and sustain the Argos, which they would have been required to do as part of the NFL acquisition.

Cooper had ample opportunity to refute and rebut all the very sharp and condemning points McCown and co-host Ken Read made, but could offer little more than ideas that began with the word 'hopefully'.

He did not refute the fact that the Argos have lost money every year since their days at the old CNE Stadium before the Jays arrived. The only year they have made money was when they last hosted the Grey Cup, and that was on the back of millions of dollars of government grants. He didn't dispute that the Argos under Braley's stewardship are annually piling up losses in the $6-7 million range.

The most alarming aspect of the discussion was that, should the Argos fold or leave Toronto, the TV deal with TSN would have to be re-visited and fees to the remaining clubs reduced accordingly to compensate for the loss of a presence in Canada's largest market.

Cooper is a very sharp man with an extensive and accomplished career in sports marketing. He said he would not take on the job as Argos president again. One of his successors was Keith Pelley, who headed TSN's operations for a time and help build up the heavy coverage they give the league. Few people have ever had greater insight into the fortunes of the CFL, the Argos and the future for TSN.

He must have felt the same way Cooper felt about the future of the CFL in these parts. He left a few years back to become head of Rogers Sportsnet. Sensible choice in retrospect.
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Some quick questions because I am honestly unsure, but has TFC ever made money? Are they honestly expecting to make money? Has Mccown ever addressed the issue of a TFC tv audience of 14,000?

If a Grey Cup is hosted at BMO, would the money it makes not justify the expansion? To me I think there is huge potential for the Argos, it just needs the right home.
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Some quick questions because I am honestly unsure, but has TFC ever made money? Are they honestly expecting to make money? Has Mccown ever addressed the issue of a TFC tv audience of 14,000?

If a Grey Cup is hosted at BMO, would the money it makes not justify the expansion? To me I think there is huge potential for the Argos, it just needs the right home.
TFC has probably made money every single year of its existence. MLSE stated they wouldn't sell TFC for $100 million.
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TFC has probably made money every single year of its existence. MLSE stated they wouldn't sell TFC for $100 million.
But if you listen to nearly every sports owner ever, no sports team ever turns a profit
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Some quick questions because I am honestly unsure, but has TFC ever made money? Are they honestly expecting to make money? Has Mccown ever addressed the issue of a TFC tv audience of 14,000?

If a Grey Cup is hosted at BMO, would the money it makes not justify the expansion? To me I think there is huge potential for the Argos, it just needs the right home.
Here's the 'huge potential' every pro-Argo advocate points toward - the 'success' of the Montreal Alouettes at historic Percival Molson Stadium, hard by the charming campus of McGill University.

The Als moved there by fluke when the Olympic Stadium wasn't available. To their surprise, there was a positive response to the aesthetics of playing in a smaller venue. Little by little, they've built up Molson Stadium to a current capacity of around 25,000. The common perception is that because it looks good on TV, they're doing great business-wise.

They've never sold the place out. And their owner, Robert Wettenhall, has been consistent in stating over the years that the team has NEVER made a profit.

Now, maybe it behooves Wettenhall to cook the books for tax purposes. Maybe it serves some unstated purpose that he keeps real profit and financial success hidden.

But the Canadian Football League is dying to publish some sort of sustained success story in its eastern conference because it's marketing appeal is withering. It certainly doesn't serve the league's purpose to have the Alouettes understate their success. We have to assume that Wettenhall is telling the truth.

So, maybe if the Argos were to move to BMO Field and pare their annual losses to something on the order of $1-3 million instead of $6-7 million, then they could trumpet that as a 'success'. Only problem is finding a new owner who wants to work with that on the heels of almost 50 years of sustained annual financial losses.

As for a Grey Cup at BMO Field? The last one here in 2012 made money on the back of some hefty government subsidies. The hometown Argos, after a disheartening 9-9 regular season, contrived to win the thing. You'd have thought that would have solidified their place in the Toronto sports market. Hardly. Currently, they can scarcely boast 4,000 season ticket holders. Hardly the circumstances one would proceed to begin an extensive and expensive renovation of a middling soccer stadium.

First you have to get the stadium re-done to accommodate the massive CFL playing surface. They need to add at least 30 yards of length to the playing surface and build in new retractable stands. That's an expense in the tens of millions that many are suggesting - and numbers support them - as simply not justifiable. If you're MLSE, you have to worry just how much longer you can piss off your soccer fans and adding a stadium share with a CFL team that is going to chew up the playing surface is the quickest way to lose fans.

Secondly, why would you put on a football final in the dead of winter in a small outdoor stadium when a larger, indoor, more comfortable and proven venue is already available? The Rogers Centre has comfortably hosted past Grey Cups and is much closer to the downtown hotels, bars and restaurants. It may not be available to host the Argos during regular season CFL play, but you can be sure it would be available for an event like a Grey Cup. It can be accessed easily via subway and streetcar or comfortably walked to it as it sits amidst the downtown core. BMO Field is a ways out on the west side of town, requiring a ride via streetcar or bus, but is not on the subway lines.

As for TFC, they routinely post profits in the low millions.

This year will be an exception - in the short term - because of the money spent to lure top stars from Europe - Michael Bradley from Roma of Italy, and Jermain Defoe from Tottenham Hotspur of London. Defoe's deal will be cut short because he is receiving lucrative offers to return to England and resume playing in the Premier League. It is like a former NHL hockey pro choosing to play in Switzerland's very nice league, then receiving offers to return to the NHL. Almost impossible to resist. TFC stand to make a profit on Defoe when they sell his contract at the end of this season.
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