I think he might mean something less severe. Perhaps if some of them would voluntarily move to Blackpool, inspired by X-Factor, to pursue careers on the stage.
Yes, something like that cityofgold. Unskilled immigrants too please, quality being better than quantity.
It 'wasn't' in my post CaptainJason and I've never used the word scum.
eradicate? Liquidate? Your words albionfagan not mine.
Come on boys - must try harder, can't you read, it's not rocket science.
If our population was decreasing I would like to lose these in the future through natural methods - like them being able to keep their legs together for long enough. Failing that - those X-factor babes mentioned above, one of whom has 5 kids to 5 different dads - but it's not her fault - honest.
Is the population set to start rising in the near future?
I was reading an article about places like detroit and Liverpool becoming desert towns by 2100.I found that hard to belive by the scale of construction and regeneration going on in Liverpool
Liverpool population set to plummet
Mar 9 2009 by Marc Waddington, Liverpool Echo
POPULATION decline could see up to 8,000 people leave Liverpool over the next decade.
New figures show the city is expected to shrink by 2%, while the UK population is expected to rise by around 11% by 2017.
The details, released by the Office of National Statistics, are used by the government to calculate how much funding Liverpool will receive in the future.
Fewer people would meaning a decrease in funding.
The city is currently estimated to have 436,100 residents.
Colin Hilton, Liverpool council’s chief executive, has warned boosting the city’s population was “critical” if it is to achieve its full potential.
But he said discrepancies between the government’s figures and the council’s own prediction that its population will rise meant future government funding could decrease, while the council’s bill for providing services would go up.
In 2006, the government changed the rules on estimating population and decided to discount anyone who had lived in an area for less than 12 months.
City leaders warned there could be many more hundreds, if not thousands, of people living in Liverpool than ministers were willing to acknowledge.
Mr Hilton said: “You look at the birth rate between 2001 and 2006 and it went up year-on-year.
“Either we have anomalies with the statistics or a mysterious disappearance of people in a certain age group.
“This city has a fundamental, critical mission to grow its population if it is to become the prosperous vision we all aspire to.”
The figures also showed the older population is expected to increase and the number of young people fall.
The number of over-60s is predicted to soar to 91,000, making up one-fifth of the city’s residents by 2017.
But even despite the increased birth rate, it is expected the number of children entering primary school will decrease by 10%by 2013, while those starting secondary school are expected to plummet by 18%.
Council deputy leader Flo Clucas said “investing in the city’s profile” nationally and internationally would help reverse the population decline.
It would be interesting to see what the daytime population is in Liverpool. It rankles a bit to see these figures of 450,000 etc because surely this is the figure after everybody has buggered off home back to the burbs. There must be over a million people in the city during the day. Censor That!
There is a campaign about (currently in St George's Hall) about seeing the population decrease as a good thing... for the environment.
I disagreed... the population of most cities in the UK (measured as city proper) is decreasing, but the population of the UK is increasing, these people are clearly going somewhere, and where they are going is into massive suburban estates built over the countryside and then using their cars to drive into the city.
It would be better if more people were living close to city centres.
If the population is plumetting then there is a case for us to take more immigrants than at present. At the moment there is a disproportionate amount of immigrants in the south east and Liverpool could take more.
I'm not sure the population in Liverpool is falling anymore, most recent reports seems to suggest it has levelled off and is now stable apart from this one. The inner city still has the capacity to house a lot more people than it currently does however.
Generally though, population is falling in parts of the north & in Scotland and even in cities where that isn't the case there are usually derelict brownfield sites in abundance while the South East struggles to cope with its numbers and ever more greenspace is built on.
I've thought myself in the past that the government should encourage in some way more immigrants to head north. It's a touchy subject though. I feel it would boost the population and economy & be a good thing but there would be predictable opposition, people saying it is ghettoising the north or that any incentives are unfair on normal citizens etc etc
Rather worried by the comments above stating that it would be somehow be beneficial to have more immigrants on Merseyside.
As an incomer to Liverpool, of the sort who increases its social capital (my wife and I are graduates), the last thing I want to see are more immigrants.
Liverpool suits me and my growing family because the social divisions, crime, and feeling of being a stranger in one's own land are not as prevalent as in London, and other English cities.
As such, I have traded career options and earning potential to live somewhere that offers better quality of life.
Far better to try to attract talent from the rest of the British Isles away from the modern day Babel like dystopia of London and the South East, than replicate the problems that make those economically richer areas so unpleasant.
Welcome to the forum ABACAB and welcome to Liverpool. I do however have to disagree with your assessment.
Liverpool was built for double it's current population, so I (and most people I speak to) welcome the addition of any new economically active immigrants, whether their origin is from the South East of England or South East Asia and everywhere in between. It's the only way we are going to be able to continue the work of getting this city back on it's feet again.
This is a city that cherishes our multiculturalism and we have some of the oldest communities of most of the ethnic groups in the UK, and they have actually integrated far better than most other places.
As others have said, you only have to look at how low the levels of BNP votes are when they stand in the city to see that this is a generally tolerant place.
I don't mind where the come from but I just don't see many of any Nationality actually so in the words of Victor Medrew 'I don't believe it'.
As for taking our jobs, well as the unions have pointed out, if bosses paid them the going rate those jobs wouldn't be so attractive nor push down the usual going rate.
I was planning on leaving Liverpool with my ex in 5 years or so when his PHD had finished. I'm not sure what would make me stay in Liverpool forever. Most of the people I grew up with moved away as soon as they could , my sibling left 16 years ago and hardly visits.
It's pointless blaming immigrants for taking low paid jobs , blame the greedy bosses
Getting to a new low when loser council employee/Rob B r i g d e n/Blabbs/Herr Rathbone/Design Man/Ultimate Loser posts as a non white girl.
Arrf!:lol::nuts:
Jan has been made well aware about your behaviour and your pattern of nasty little habits in advance, when it comes to this thread. I had predicted it to him already.
Complain to him:lol:
Bizarre. I don't see any resemblance with Briggers whatsoever. For starters there aren't nearly enough instances of words like "vile" and "cretinous" to support such an assertion.
They're not but the comment was in relation to someone advocating that they do. Some of the ones already here are asylum seekers as you know and do not have jobs. The decline as you know was due to people being shipped out blindly by planners who didn't foresee this or give it the thought it required and deserved. The consequence is that as with most 'expert' findings, a reverse of circumstances is now required to fill the city. Tallies and landing flats were considered wrong a few years ago, now what do we have all over the place only they're called luxury apartments these days though many don't afford the luxury to swing a cat.
The demographic in Liverpool needs to change. This could be achieved by two means: 1) Abolish Knowsley and incorporate it into the City of Liverpool and do the same with South Sefton letting Southport go away.
2) Much of the city's population are the embattled old white working class. These are a declining group in society and Liverpool needs to inject young people, with skills into these areas particularly North Liverpool. Here the white working class need to reap the benefits of 12 years of a Labour Government through intervention by the government to improve the area enviromentally, create jobs, further improve education and health and get the long term unemployed back to work.
Economic migrants in areas such as North Liverpool would in the short term lead to resentment and possibly minor friction. But the area would benefit in other ways from diversity.
Over here in Aragon a recurring issue is the depopulation of rural areas, whilst urban areas become increasingly over-crowded. One such town, Castelnou, has launched a scheme to add to its 150 inhabitants. So far it has attracted 50,000 people interested in taking up the offer, and the first 500 "new" inhabitants are expected to move in between now and the end of the year .
As far as I can make out, the scheme/offer involves the following:
Newly-built 4-bedroom houses for reduced rent or (relatively) reduced purchase price
Similar incentives for companies who wish to relocate or establish themselves in the town
For those who want to build their own houses to live in, FREE land within certain boundaries.
Conditions include:
Those wishing to take up the accommodation offer must be married couples/civil partnerships WITH CHILDREN, as the town sees its future based on a bottom-heavy population pyramid
Businesses taking up the offer of locating in Castelnou are "incentivised" to employ both "old" and incoming inhabitants.
Reading about it made me think of some of the advantages that were put the way of new towns over our cities. However, could English cities or parts of cities introduce similar schemes? I was interested to note how direct the scheme is - developers and speculators are clearly discouraged or disenfranchised.
When I was living in Spain this last year, I saw a TV report on the news about depopulation in rural Spain. It was quite amazing. Spain has some of the least densly populated parts of Europe, only matched somewhere in eastern Europe. There was a village for sale up in the north with about 20 houses and a school for 700,000 euros.
In answer to your question, I think it would be very difficult to encourage repopulation into parts of the inner city without spending huge amounts on houses and facilities. Encouraging a certain group of people to move in is fraught with difficulties, it would be so hard to monitor the system of grants etc unless you knocked at people's houses at bedtime every night to make sure they were tucked up in bed to confirm they were living were they claimed to be.
It's sad having to move away to find a good job and better prospects. I have noticed that in some industries it's harder justifying staying in Liverpool and i'm not sure how to attract people back without better wages and jobs.
A lot of students stay on but you need people who are born in Liverpool to stay and when I think of my family , 90% moved away.
Its because there are no real jobs here. All you have to do is look online at the job sites and the plethora of thankless sales jobs with "negotiable" salaries. If you look past that all you get is things like Barclays which are equally a dead end for most people not to mention Graduates.
We have the cultural offering, nice places to live, great heritage and new architecture, good connections and a better than ever retail offering. We simply dont attract enough large reputable organisations who are willing to pay and treat their staff well.
I have a friend who works in Royal & Sun allliance who was tricked along several "stages" of interview into understanding he was being selected for his skills and experience and therefore his salary level would be retained. When he eventually got past the target hungry Recruitment consultants (who will tell you anything to get you to interview) and was offered a job after a day long Krpyton factor interview assessment day, he was offered a salary that was 5000 a year less than he previously earned.
Essentially starting on the bottom rung with a crazy shift pattern that is largely unsociable hours and rather than simply doing customer service he had sales targets slapped on him aswell for a £14,500 job that was advertised as no sales.
As the current market is dry, he had no choice but to take it - the circus getting to the job offer alone was too draining to let go by refusing.
So in short, a graduate, mid twenties with a long line of experience and skills earned through hard work and progression is tricked and reduced to working in sales until 10pm most nights.
Its just one example why people with a brain will simply say "f**k this, im off" when it comes to staying in Liverpool.
We need better opportunities and a recognition that if you are a graduate with a strong degree and demonstrable skills you should be able to find a decent job and a reasonable salary. Not a nervous breakdown and an insult.
That's a good post 21C Liverpool. I suppose that I could add my own experience to that by saying that I have never managed to get a permanent job in Liverpool and that I too had to move away in order to find employment in my line of work.
However, you have to remember that these are just anecdotes - the experiences of a handful of people. It leads to blanket declarations such as 'there are no jobs in Liverpool' or 'all jobs in Liverpool are lowly paid and on short term contracts'. Neither of these statements are true but add to the rhetoric of depression which we often find on threads such as this.
I guess that a lot of us most spend time thinking just what are Liverpool and the City Region's strengths and how the economy can develop in the future. It is not at all straightforward but I think there are some grounds for optimism.
I think the first thing is to understand that economies evolve. When I was growing up, the idea that Liverpool would one day be a major tourist destination would have been considered laughable but now it is a major staple of the city's economy with potential for further but not unlimited expansion. Perhaps we don't value it as much as we should simply because it is not something that we see as a traditional Liverpool industry.
Linked to that is the growth of the airport. That has been phenomenal over the last fifteen years with almost a 1000% increase in passenger throughput. Clearly, a lot of that is down to the growth in the low cost sector and the more limited growth in the business sector reflects the weakness of the local economy. However, there is a great potential for further expansion and though, whilst it may be fanciful to think that LJLA could overtake Manchester as the North West's main airport, the possibility that it could have half of that airport's passengers in the future is no longer a pipe dream.
I really believe though that one of the city's greatest strengths - something that we tend to downplay because we are so familiar with it - is the shear presence of the city - the understanding that Liverpool is not just another provincial city.
OK, you can't bank a photograph of the waterfront or the unique culture of the city but what these things illustrate is the fact that Liverpool has the potential that few non-capital cities have to be a true world city. Presence may seem to be an ephemeral thing but cities all over are struggling to obtain it. Does Dubai really need to have the tallest block of flats in the world? - I doubt it but what it has done is to give that city more presence on the international stage.
Liverpool definitely has more presence than it did in the last decades of the twentieth century. Capital of Culture and major redevelopment has seen to that. However, if we are to get that step change that elevates the city another notch or two in the rank of world cities, it is not going to come from another museum or another government department setting up an office here.
The only organisation that seems to grasp this idea is the dreaded Peel. We may scoff at Liverpool and Wirral Waters but does any other organisation, public or private, express such confidence in the future of the city?
Maybe Peel are not the people to deliver the final vision but what is important is having that vision.
I agree. But when I look at my own personal experience, vs that of all my friends, I can't help but wonder whether or not there is some truth in it.
I'm a journalist and had to write unpaid for three years and then a further two at low freelance rates to get a full time position. (Granted, those five years were the last year of college, while I was at university and a year after I graduated and I was trying to become a games journalist, which is incredibly tough).
That job was based in Hertford. I didn't really want to move, but I didn't have a choice. Two years later, and as a deputy editor, I decided to move back to the north and work freelance. While that worked for a while, the recession hit and wiped out most of my freelance (like £1,500 a month worth).
That meant I had to look for a new full time job. After six months of trying to find a journalism/media job up here, I had to give up and start looking down south again. I eventually got one, which granted is a little further than I wanted to move...in Dubai.
My friends on the other hand. Well, the two best paid ones are a Quantity Surveyor (who is the only one who has a 'proper' career) and the deputy manager of at a small supermarket chain. All the others work at supermarkets as regular staff, work in care homes, other retailers etc. All for a pittance (i.e. the minimum wage).
Some of them work just as hard as me, yet because their job doesn't always require as much 'experience' in the eyes of their employers, some of them earn a quarter of what I earn a year. Full time.
That I fear is the reality of the job situation, not just in Liverpool and the surrounding towns (I'm from Runcorn originally), but for the whole country at the moment.
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