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Old June 27th, 2015, 03:37 PM   #1181
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I think that was me and I'd question what you mean. Population wise they are similar and both would be newly formed town councils within a larger top tier authority.
Shrewsbury 70,00 residents, cost to run £448,000

Sutton Coldfield 96,000 residents, suggested cost to run at least £200,000.

[source Ballot FAQ p7]

Given that SC has a third more residents I'd suggest that, based on this ratio, the annual cost to run will be nearer £600,000.

To put it another way, the figures suggest that the running cost should be at least as much as Shrewsbury, not 50% less. That unexplained discrepancy undermines the case, such as it is.

Of course, there may be economies of scale but the FAQ makes no mention of any.

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Old June 27th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #1182
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It may be Shrewbury has more responsibility and services than the proposed Sutton council, hence the higher figure.
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Old June 27th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #1183
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It may be Shrewbury has more responsibility and services than the proposed Sutton council, hence the higher figure.
Nothing in the FAQ about that but, if true, then Shrewsbury is not a proper comparator.

Either way, the likely cost is still guesswork.

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Old June 27th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #1184
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Is there any possibility that the town council could be the first step towards independence?

It seems to me that the benefits of this proposed town council are negligible and will just create another layer of bureaucracy.

By the way, was pleased to see on a TV report that work has begun on the old town hall to convert it into apartments. It would be good to see Pegasus get moving with the Brassington Ave site as well. The more people living by the town centre, the better.
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Old June 27th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #1185
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Is there any possibility that the town council could be the first step towards independence?

It seems to me that the benefits of this proposed town council are negligible and will just create another layer of bureaucracy.
If Sutton stays within the combined authority, you'd think it wouldn't matter whether it remains part of BCC or not.

Saying that, would an independent Sutton council be liable for a chunk of BCC's debt?
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Old June 27th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #1186
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id assume so

Also worth pointing out as a local area to Birmingham it would also be liable to provide housing for residents of Birmingham.... That could actually see an increase in what Birmingham plans for sutton, and that's not being welcomed by residents as it is
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Old June 28th, 2015, 01:09 AM   #1187
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I got mine today. What are your thoughts? I read the leaflet while having a dump. It doesn't give any specifics which is a worry, but I'm inclined to give it a go in the whole for (some) improved local services.
Not overly keen. Means more costs to pay for each household. I can see the advantages of it but don't think the masses will be willing to pay extra to get pretty much the same as what they have now.
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Old June 28th, 2015, 01:11 AM   #1188
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Also if it does come into being. Are the costs going to be forced onto people if a majority vote for it? Suppose there is no other way really.
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Old June 28th, 2015, 10:35 AM   #1189
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Also if it does come into being. Are the costs going to be forced onto people if a majority vote for it? Suppose there is no other way really.
Yep, if the plans are accepted then the precept will be added to the council tax bill.
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Old June 28th, 2015, 04:38 PM   #1190
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Shrewsbury 70,00 residents, cost to run £448,000

Sutton Coldfield 96,000 residents, suggested cost to run at least £200,000.

[source Ballot FAQ p7]

Given that SC has a third more residents I'd suggest that, based on this ratio, the annual cost to run will be nearer £600,000.

To put it another way, the figures suggest that the running cost should be at least as much as Shrewsbury, not 50% less. That unexplained discrepancy undermines the case, such as it is.

Of course, there may be economies of scale but the FAQ makes no mention of any.
I thought the suggested SC town council would be within the constituency of the same name population circa 75,000? Doesn't matter anyway but it seems quite pricey for the services you get from such councils.
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