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Old June 19th, 2017, 10:07 AM   #13841
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That's a nice set of twins in Melbourne.

Anyway, a new 258m tower in our nation's capital:


YUCK YUCK YUCK!!!!!
What the hell, this thing is a monstrosity! I hope that is not going to go ahead in it's final form, it's a mishmash of bad styles and just looks like Lego amateur hour at playgroup!
It's not just ugly it's seriously revolting. One of the very worst buildings I have ever seen and on par with that hideous hotel in Macau - Grand Lisboa.


If they were going to go with the deconstructed block look at least either do it all over or make it look more integrated like the tower in Bangkok.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 10:16 AM   #13842
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Better images of CQ tower via Beep1Beep2:





Imposing.

Rialto will lose title of tallest office tower to roof in Australia. A mighty 30 year plus reign.

I'd love to see the other Architectural Comp designs.
Beautifully slender but very safe with the glass. I hope that clearer renders will give us a better indication of the facade detailing and treatment. Too many of Sydney's towers are overly conservative.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 10:29 AM   #13843
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Yes i tend to agree with Av here that Brisbane one is not good. However the real disappointment is the much hyped but seriously underwhelming sydney tower. Compared to say Aurora, Premier, or the Sapphire twins it's as plain as can be. However it fits right in with the even more banal wanker one building next door.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 11:17 AM   #13844
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Yes i tend to agree with Av here that Brisbane one is not good. However the real disappointment is the much hyped but seriously underwhelming sydney tower. Compared to say Aurora, Premier, or the Sapphire twins it's as plain as can be. However it fits right in with the even more banal wanker one building next door.
Resi vs office, not like for like. New Melbourne office towers are very conservative too.

I like CQ, it is big and with the right finishes and lighting it will be excellent, but no doubt it is very conservative, very standard Norman Foster. The super-tall top floor does look ace.

Crown Sydney will be the prime attraction.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #13845
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A couple of low quality screenshots from the 7 News Sydney story this evening. The first is from the south, I think the second is from the west.





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Old June 20th, 2017, 12:07 AM   #13846
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^looks sensational

Crown update





Crown will look incredible on sunset
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Old June 20th, 2017, 02:09 AM   #13847
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Resi vs office, not like for like. New Melbourne office towers are very conservative too.

I like CQ, it is big and with the right finishes and lighting it will be excellent, but no doubt it is very conservative, very standard Norman Foster. The super-tall top floor does look ace.

Crown Sydney will be the prime attraction.
Crown Sydney is not that exciting. It's "safe" I guess. I'm not sure I'm totally sold on that latest Brisbane one, but at least the crop of new Brisbane towers are not "safe". I think Sydney has become a bit un-imaginative. It is saved by it's stunning harbour at least. Melbourne designs are also more imaginative, but there also, there are some very ordinary buildings - particularly some of the new northern cluster. Quantity over quality.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 02:24 AM   #13848
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Yes I think Sydney has become bogged down not just with the buildings but everything, dumbed down and homogenised. It is as if the entire city wants to strive for banal and ok, but never impressive or progressive. Everything is safe, comfortable and trying to fit in without making a scene. I'd call most of the developments almost timid.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 03:12 AM   #13849
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Looks better than Australia 108 and its tacky starburst features.
I don't like those either. I wasn't comparing them though. For one; it looks like it has a bunch of growths on it and two; the tower isn't consistant in its design, it just looks smashed together. Could be a lot nicer despite a very nice ground level
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Old June 20th, 2017, 03:19 AM   #13850
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Crown Sydney is not that exciting. It's "safe" I guess.
C'mon, that's just plain wrong. Crown Sydney is anything but safe; surely you can see that. The way it flare's out somewhat like a sail is anything but safe (and certainly not cheap). It will be superb.

CQ on the other hand is conservative. Personally I would have like just a tad more flair, especially for the $1.5 billion price tag. However, if they use the right materials and glass then it will be outstanding. Overall I like it; hoping that better renders come forward soon.

I especially like that extra height top floor; is that a public or event space?
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Yes I think Sydney has become bogged down not just with the buildings but everything, dumbed down and homogenised. It is as if the entire city wants to strive for banal and ok, but never impressive or progressive. Everything is safe, comfortable and trying to fit in without making a scene. I'd call most of the developments almost timid.
These two are not banal:



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Old June 20th, 2017, 03:38 AM   #13852
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thoise two are most excellent
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Nicholas Harrison has posted on UrbanMelbourne that SP Setia's twin tower project, Sapphire by the Gardens, at 308 Exhibition Street, has sold 70% of its apartments and will start before year's end. We're a bit stunned that such a massive project (251m/255m) can go from a concept to a dead cert so quickly. As if to emphasize SPS's dynamism, Nicholas also just reported that they've splashed out in the vicinity of $60 million to buy the 111-125 A'Beckett Street site, which has approval for a 210m tower. See the 200-249m thread for more.
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Funny how in one post Avatar attacks a new Brisbane tower for being a mish mash and ugly, then in the next post, criticises a Sydney tower for being too conservative!!!! Honestly mate, what do you want!!!?
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Old June 20th, 2017, 06:35 AM   #13856
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I like the Circular Quay tower, I think it suits Sydney.

Sydney needs tower designs that complement its landmarks and do not overpower them. Crown is a good example of a tower that blends well into the existing urban fabric. This design will also sit well. In Europe, city architects are important in some cities in ensuring that consistent look and balance to the skyline and the same should apply to Sydney.

Of course, none of this applies outside of Sydney because Melbourne and Brisbane have far more creative freedom in a sense, which is also fine, but in Sydney's case, they need to stay classy and elegant and somewhat understated and that's what they are doing, so good stuff.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 06:36 AM   #13857
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These two are not banal:


This one is the only saving grace. I'm not a fan of the design chosen for the Star. the AMP tower on the other hand is stunning, unconventional and is a welcome change. If you look at just about anything in Melbourne though, the designs are generally original, have amazing glass and break the mould with colour and form. Melbourne seems to be getting the more interesting designs IMO. It appears to me that CoS design excellence panel/need to run every tower as a competition is stifling the creativity or architects or at least the most boring and conventional designs seem to be getting chosen more often. I think we should do away with the running design competitions.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #13858
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It appears to me that CoS design excellence panel/need to run every tower as a competition is stifling the creativity or architects or at least the most boring and conventional designs seem to be getting chosen more often. I think we should do away with the running design competitions.
No no no no no. The competitive process has produced some of the best buildings in our city (and that list starts with the Opera House).

The issue lies with the absurd amount of bureaucracy involved with getting anything done in this city. Just trying to get a basic proposal through council is painful enough for developers let alone trying to get something through which pushes boundaries or dares to do something different. What motivation is there for developers to be bold when it's just going to cost them even more time and money and has a very slim chance of resulting in better returns for them down the track?

What is needed is a total overhaul of our planning system to create something that protects the interests of the community but is also friendlier to developers.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #13859
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Yes I think Sydney has become bogged down not just with the buildings but everything, dumbed down and homogenised. It is as if the entire city wants to strive for banal and ok, but never impressive or progressive. Everything is safe, comfortable and trying to fit in without making a scene. I'd call most of the developments almost timid.
The key distinction here is that anything Av doesn't like is banal

There's two things that are bogged down in Sydney right now - the planning system and nightlife. Even with all the constraints Sydney puts on itself on those two fronts, we're still getting some great buildings and the depths of nightlife despair have well and truly bottomed out.

Sydney is excelling in a great number of areas at the moment - construction of public transport, roads, sporting stadia, cultural infrastructure, schools, hospitals, Western Sydney Airport et al.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #13860
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Sydney's CBD is so constraint that everything already built up will have to be demolished to build something new instead of going southwards or in any other direction to expand it.

It's a pity.
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